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post #8911 of 11013
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Hifiman says they're fine unamped.  :)  And quite honestly, I get enough volume out of them with an iPod at 3/4 or 4/5 volume for nearly all of my songs.

 

 

In all honestly, it's a matter of how critical and trained your listening is.  I remember a year or two back when I got the DT990 600ohm and was expecting a good change coming from my iMac's onboard to a little dot mkii plus hrt music streamer ii, I was very underwhelmed when I didn't hear much of a difference.

 

Fast forward-- after many critical listening sessions done between headphones and whatnot, I was listening to my AD700 through my iMac's onboard for weeks (I had my other gear out on loan to a friend).  When I received the Schiit Magni/Modi in the mail and plugged the AD700 into them, I could hear a difference right off the bat, and while I wouldn't call it night and day, it wasn't subtle either.  Also keep in mind that AD700 aren't very refined headphones to begin with.  The main difference was just how much more clear and resolving the Schiit stack was in the treble region.

 

Was this because the Schit stack was leagues better than the Litlte Dot and Music Streamer?  The near 0 impedance of the Magni probably helped a bit, but my bet is that they were all probably all close together in performance.  What had changed was how trained my hearing was.

 

 

On a fundamental level, this is what the hobby is centered around-- subtle differences that are all gradually providing more of a refined sound in the end.

 

If anybody thinks a certain headphone or source is WAY better than another, 9 times out of 10 it's because of a different coloration that suits their tastes better, and they're confusing the different coloration with refinement.

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post #8912 of 11013
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Hifiman says they're fine unamped.  :)  And quite honestly, I get enough volume out of them with an iPod at 3/4 or 4/5 volume for nearly all of my songs.

 

 

In all honestly, it's a matter of how critical and trained your listening is.  I remember a year or two back when I got the DT990 600ohm and was expecting a good change coming from my iMac's onboard to a little dot mkii plus hrt music streamer ii, I was very underwhelmed when I didn't hear much of a difference.

 

Fast forward-- after many critical listening sessions done between headphones and whatnot, I was listening to my AD700 through my iMac's onboard for weeks (I had my other gear out on loan to a friend).  When I received the Schiit Magni/Modi in the mail and plugged the AD700 into them, I could hear a difference right off the bat, and while I wouldn't call it night and day, it wasn't subtle either.  Also keep in mind that AD700 aren't very refined headphones to begin with.  The main difference was just how much more clear and resolving the Schiit stack was in the treble region.

 

Was this because the Schit stack was leagues better than the Litlte Dot and Music Streamer?  The near 0 impedance of the Magni probably helped a bit, but my bet is that they were all probably all close together in performance.  What had changed was how trained my hearing was.

 

 

On a fundamental level, this is what the hobby is centered around-- subtle differences that are all gradually providing more of a refined sound in the end.

 

If anybody thinks a certain headphone or source is WAY better than another, 9 times out of 10 it's because of a different coloration that suits their tastes better, and they're confusing the different coloration with refinement.

 

I couldn't have said it better than that.

 

After reading more on the Asgard 2 I'm really looking forward to getting them (unfortunately it wont be tell the 1st as its on back order).  The 1W that they'll have to power the 35ohm HE-400 is plenty and combined with my Colorfly C3 I expect to have some decent SQ out of that setup tell I get a really nice DAP.

post #8913 of 11013

Ok, so I just finished the second driver/cup, and I conclude: paper is a no go.

It actually seemed to increase the treble. I can post pictures tomorrow if anyone's interested.

post #8914 of 11013

Wow things broke down for me for a couple days, was put in a position where I was possibly looking at losing all of my furniture and put all of my electronics away to protect them. Scary, is all I can say about that! Happy to report that in the end, my beloved HE-400 were not put up for sale and I am now enjoying the Stax SR-407 on demo from Justin at Headamp and unlike the LCD-2, I can definitely see myself going to Stax for my upgrade. I didn't want upgradeitis again but I willingly submitted myself to the disease when I signed up for the demo. I actually preferred the sound signature of the HE-400 to the LCD-2 (while recognizing that the LCD-2 are technically superior) but even this 407, which is like the bottom of the current lineup is just so refined with everything I throw at it.

post #8915 of 11013
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Such a shame that all Audio-gds stuff are arse-ugly, cause otherwise they have awesome prices.

 

I wont agree on the ugly factor of Audio-gd gear. HiFiMan gear (speaking about the HE-400 in particular) wont win the Miss Universe contest either.eek.gif 

Suppose pairing Schiit audio gear with the HiFiMan headphone just makes it "less ugly" overall.blink.gif

 

Steve

post #8916 of 11013

The HE-400 looks 10X better than the Stax SR-407, those are some of the worst looking HP's I've ever seen and I'm not one that cares how a HP looks 99.99% of the time but those are the ones that I just couldn't wear though I'm sure they sound great.

post #8917 of 11013

Glad you're enjoying the HE-400 TK, 

 

I knew you would like them :) 

post #8918 of 11013
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Originally Posted by IcedTea View Post

Glad you're enjoying the HE-400 TK, 

 

I knew you would like them :) 

 

Yeah it seems that the headphone bug has bitten me pretty hard as I'm trying to trade my JVC HA-FXZ100, e-Q5 and the RE-400 IEM's for a pair of HD600's or HD650's.  I really wish I had tried good HP's awhile ago because they have everything I want in good audio with good detail and great presentation and soundstage.  I'm really looking forward to when I have enough to get the HE-500 but the HE-400 with the Schiit Asgard 2 amp I bought and the Colorfly C3 will be great for now.

post #8919 of 11013

What am I missing?

 

I picked up a used pair of these on ebay this week.  They have Revision-2 Drivers, Plus a CablePro Freedom Cable.  The bass is amazing. However, the vocals sound muffled and distant, as if singing in a plastic cup! Some frequency where, I would say an open hi-hat cymbol would be, seems distorted. They also have a strong sibilance.  Besides that they are amazing! :)

 

I ran them through my desktop (with a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD USB) and also through my ipod (no amp).  Same problems.  I also swapped out the Freedom Cable with the standard cable with no change.  My other headphones (Senn 598, Senn amperior, Beyer 900 Pro, V-Moda M-100) through the same setups have no problems.

 

I really want to like these headphones, but can't get past these obstacles.  Do I need a better amp to fix these problems? Are they damaged?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

post #8920 of 11013
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Originally Posted by vlis View Post

What am I missing?

I picked up a used pair of these on ebay this week.  They have Revision-2 Drivers, Plus a CablePro Freedom Cable.  The bass is amazing. However, the vocals sound muffled and distant, as if singing in a plastic cup! Some frequency where, I would say an open hi-hat cymbol would be, seems distorted. They also have a strong sibilance.  Besides that they are amazing! smily_headphones1.gif

I ran them through my desktop (with a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD USB) and also through my ipod (no amp).  Same problems.  I also swapped out the Freedom Cable with the standard cable with no change.  My other headphones (Senn 598, Senn amperior, Beyer 900 Pro, V-Moda M-100) through the same setups have no problems.

I really want to like these headphones, but can't get past these obstacles.  Do I need a better amp to fix these problems? Are they damaged?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Try the Jerg mod. wink.gif
post #8921 of 11013
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Originally Posted by vlis View Post

What am I missing?

 

I picked up a used pair of these on ebay this week.  They have Revision-2 Drivers, Plus a CablePro Freedom Cable.  The bass is amazing. However, the vocals sound muffled and distant, as if singing in a plastic cup! Some frequency where, I would say an open hi-hat cymbol would be, seems distorted. They also have a strong sibilance.  Besides that they are amazing! :)

 

I ran them through my desktop (with a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD USB) and also through my ipod (no amp).  Same problems.  I also swapped out the Freedom Cable with the standard cable with no change.  My other headphones (Senn 598, Senn amperior, Beyer 900 Pro, V-Moda M-100) through the same setups have no problems.

 

I really want to like these headphones, but can't get past these obstacles.  Do I need a better amp to fix these problems? Are they damaged?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Try the Jergpad mod - it helps to reduce the treble issues and bring the midrange a tad more forward. The velour earpads also tame the treble quite a bit.

post #8922 of 11013

3db down at 8khz and 6db down at 16khz EQ will fix a lot of your treble issues.  HE-400's treble quality is very good, nice and airy, extended and not ringy, plus not very hard sounding either (ala lcd-2 and closed headphones).  It's just that there's a lot of it.

post #8923 of 11013
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Wow things broke down for me for a couple days, was put in a position where I was possibly looking at losing all of my furniture and put all of my electronics away to protect them. Scary, is all I can say about that! Happy to report that in the end, my beloved HE-400 were not put up for sale and I am now enjoying the Stax SR-407 on demo from Justin at Headamp and unlike the LCD-2, I can definitely see myself going to Stax for my upgrade. I didn't want upgradeitis again but I willingly submitted myself to the disease when I signed up for the demo. I actually preferred the sound signature of the HE-400 to the LCD-2 (while recognizing that the LCD-2 are technically superior) but even this 407, which is like the bottom of the current lineup is just so refined with everything I throw at it.

Woa dude, HE400 is like the entry headphone for the higher end headphones it seems. 

I have to say, I am intrigued by that stax headphone, is correct that it costs only 580 usd? What kind of amp does one need to drive it?

post #8924 of 11013
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Woa dude, HE400 is like the entry headphone for the higher end headphones it seems. 

I have to say, I am intrigued by that stax headphone, is correct that it costs only 580 usd? What kind of amp does one need to drive it?

 

An electrostatic headphone amp.  The Stax SRM-252S that was part of the demo setup costs $500, but i would recommend at least a SRM-323S which is $995

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post #8925 of 11013
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Originally Posted by justin w. View Post

 

An electrostatic headphone amp.  The Stax SRM-252S that was part of the demo setup costs $500, but i would recommend at least a SRM-323S which is $995

Thanks for the reply! That amp really seems to bring up the price. As a student I promised myself never to spend more on the amp than on the headphone itself. But I am intrigued.

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