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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The LCD2 takes the best things about the HE400 and HD650 and puts it in one, very heavy, expensive package. Only downside being that it loses out on soundstage and air.

And treble.  If the LCD-2.2s had a tab bit less treble of the HE-400s - you might have something there.  O Wait that's the LCD-3sbiggrin.gif

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For that price, I'd get the TH-900. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

For that price, I'd get the TH-900. biggrin.gif

 

 

You sure?  I haven't heard those yet.  I will soon.  A 2K closed headphone.  That's something..

post #7864 of 17961
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


You sure?  I haven't heard those yet.  I will soon.  A 2K closed headphone.  That's something..

The D7000 is my fave headphone of all time, and the TH900 being the ultimate D7000 upgrade, well, that would be endgame for me. Hell, the TH-600 is end game for me, just waiting on prices to go down to D7000 like-levels. Like $700.

Assuming it has the same type of bass.
post #7865 of 17961

I got one for you.  

 

MarkL'ed D7000 or TH-600?

post #7866 of 17961
I don't want a modded D7000 at all. I want a STOCK D7000. I didn't want bass changed whatsoever, which gets changed by the mods.

I want stock D7000 (2012 revision) > anything else

I'm just somewhat hopeful the TH-600 will sound like the D7000 with the same bass and maybe improvements in the mids, less sharpness in the treble. The D7000's treble is considerably less jarring than the HE-400 either way, so it's not a problem if it's not improved upon. I loved the D7000 as it was. The only thing I hated is the pleather pads. I'd get lawton leather pads just for the increased comfort, or maybe pay Jerg to mod some velour on top of the pleather. wink.gif
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/24/13 at 12:16pm
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Yeah - I agree.  That's why I haven't got mine MarkL'ed.  I don't like mods anymore as well.

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I mean, look at that Innerfidelity graph for the last D7000...

They sounded as good as they look.
post #7869 of 17961

I'm curious.

 

Would an HE-400 be an upgrade from my current Sennheiser HD-600s or more of a sidegrade?

 

I'd be amping them with my current O2+ODAC combo, in this totally hypothetical scenario where I went out and bought one. tongue.gif.

post #7870 of 17961
It'd be quite different in tonal balance and sound, so it'd just be too different to call it an upgrade.
post #7871 of 17961

Man some of you are crazy, chasing unicorns. Constantly buying and selling the same headphone ... I'm just thankful I love my HE-400 and don't feel the need to upgrade!

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Asssuming the D7000 is remotely similar to D2000 and D5000, the frequency graphs alone aren't indicative of what they sound like.  HE-400 has more mids than a D2000 and just look at how u-shaped it looks next to a D2000 in comparison on the graphs.  Refusal to EQ down the HE-400's treble-- even if it isn't available for all your applications, is confusing as well.

 

I would like to try a TH900 sometime. 


Edited by TMRaven - 2/24/13 at 12:34pm
post #7873 of 17961
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Ok so lets go back to my first "no way"  It was addressing the comment of the HE-400s being "2 levels" above the HD650s.  This is what the no way was about.  Not which one do you prefer. 

 

I've been fortunate to purchase some higher end amps and this is where my perspective is coming from.  Also, I'm not a EQ'er I pretty much listen to the headphone "as is" except for re cabling jobs for balanced connections.  So when I hear the HE-400s and the treble jab me in the head multiple times, with out any kind of mods.  That's what that headphone was made to do.  

 

So I set right in the middle so to speak.  I can't afford the Stax rigs I want.  But I can get most other headphones on the market with in reason.  So I'm not limited to the M&M stack or the O stack.  I can go up a little further.  This is where I have seen or heard the 650s sound it's best at.  The 400s will not scale.  It is what it is with them.  

 

So with out EQ'ing - it's hard to put the 400s on the right amp.  The bass make you want to put them on a neutral amp.  But the treble makes you want to put them on a forgiving amp.  Either way just messes up the other.  Did that sound right?  If you put the 650s on a pretty good neutral amp - IMO your all set.

Yes I agree, the stock HE-400s have some shortcommings that aren't really acceptable.

But this problem lies mostly with the pads. And the J$s solve these problems for me.

If only hifiman took some time to for R&D in ear pads, I think they could improve their entire line-up pretty easily.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Asssuming the D7000 is remotely similar to D2000 and D5000, the frequency graphs alone aren't indicative of what they sound like.  HE-400 has more mids than a D2000 and just look at how u-shaped it looks next to a D2000 in comparison on the graphs.  Refusal to EQ down the HE-400's treble-- even if it available for all your applications, is confusing as well.

I would like to try a TH900 sometime. 

I owned two D7000s and two HE400s. The D7000's had pretty balanced mids. The dip that you can hear was in the mid bass. The D7000 had whopping sub bass (very atmospheric and omnipotent), and reserved mid bass. but mids and treble were quite even, if just slightly treble emphasized.

There is no question for me, the D7000 is a better sounding headphone by almost all accounts other than mid bass.

If anything, you can say the D7000 is like the HE-400 if it had a boost in sub bass volume (audible not technically), less mid bass, more mids, and less treble. Make no mistake, the sub bass on the D7000 is pretty epic, despite the graphs telling a different story.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/24/13 at 12:49pm
post #7875 of 17961
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Man some of you are crazy, chasing unicorns. Constantly buying and selling the same headphone ... I'm just thankful I love my HE-400 and don't feel the need to upgrade!

 

You and me both dude. No need for me to upgrade anytime soon, but I may a year or two down the line.

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