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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Here's a different kind of question: have any of you traveled with your HE-400 or other expensive headphones? I'm going on a trip in April, via plane, and I don't think I'll be taking much more than clothes, my HE-400, HE-300, Magni, Modi and Fiio E17 on top of my Laptop and external hard drive.

 

Should I wear the HE-400 onto the plane so they aren't packed? Will I run into trouble taking them on the plane? If I pack them, is there any particular method that is recommended, or any case that might be a good idea? With the Magni and Modi, they're nicely shaped and small, I was just gonna heavily wrap those in clothes. My carry on bag will be my laptop bag with my hard drive and Kindle in it, won't be room for the HE-400 or HE-300.

 

Tips? Thoughts?

I'm thinking the official HiFIMan travel case would probably be the best bet (of if you could craft something similar).  Aside from that, you'll probably just want alot of padding and make sure they don't move alot or get crushed.  I personally wouldn't want to take them out (in the airport, etc.) until I reached my destination, so just making sure they are packed well should be sufficient.

post #7847 of 17920
They have similarities in warmth, but other than that, they are quite different. Enough to not really make them comparable. Chances are, if you like one, you might not like the other. One is sparkly, one is smooth. Those two things tend to be on opposite sides when it comes to love/hate.

Months ago, I would have said HE400 always, but once I got my hands on the HD650 and Annies, my tastes evolved, and I started craving mids more than treble. So if I had to choose NOW, I would have went with the 650s. It was a tough decision when I had to decide between the two months ago. A decision ccompletely different from one I would have made today.

Still, I favor the Annie more than either of those two, though they would have been too much like the HD650, so I'm sort of glad I have a different enough alternative in the HE400.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/24/13 at 9:06am
post #7848 of 17920
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Originally Posted by richierich View Post

 

I dunno man but the HE-400s are perfect for EDM. I guess I just have an amp and DAC that matches well, and J$ pads help.

The electronic music I listen to a lot is not only electronic dance music. It's also ambient, minimal and soundtracks (like Dark Knight, Tron). Hence I want headphones that give me very good sense of air, spaciousness (deep, wide and tall) as well as great speed and enough "aggressiveness". And the music shouldn't sound thin - the sound should have good weight.

HE-400 satisfies me in regards to the good weight of sound, but doesn't give me enough space/air and I am not fully satisfied with its speed and 'aggresiveness'. Tizziness in treble makes the music sound chaotic for me. Although I am going to check the EQing effects.

 

If anyone knows headphones that would better suit my taste than HE-400, I'd appreciate your advice.


Edited by korzena - 2/24/13 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

So that would make it a double no way..biggrin.gif  If you haven't taped it's full potential..  

 

Also about being technically better??  You may be getting into uncharted territories with that statement.   Just saying..

Haha yeah I know :D 

Well it's more neutral, the tizzyness is gone, and voices/higher guitars are actually quite forward now. Seperation and imaging are obviously better, but that's even true with the stockstock HE-400. I actually really like the mids of the HE-400 now, I'ven ever heard more realistic voices, ever! Well apart from real voices...

Soundstage is bigger and better than the HD650, although soundstage width is smaller with the J$s than with the velours. And soundstage depth is also increased.

Also, hello sparkly treble without being harsh! HD650 has no sparkle :(

That leaves the magical midrange of the HD650, but this limits the HD650 to mid ranged oriented music. As a drummer, I like cymbals and tight boom boom... (no bloated bass though!)

 

I do not really agree with your statement that it's a double no way, unlocking the HD650s full potential is pretty costly. Like so costly that you might as well buy the HE-500 and modi-magni set. 

The Fiio E9 us usually regarded as a pretty good amp for the money, and it's still not cheap imo. I didn't really like the HD650 so much with the E9. 

 

Now this is just my opinion, but I think you get more out of your money with the HE-400. And this is not an uncommon thought. I do think the HD650 would be a good complimentary headphone for the HE-400. I haven't had the chance to to an AB test between the HE-400 and HD650 so I'm doing this from memory and notes. But the difference is quite clear I think.


Edited by Marleybob217 - 2/24/13 at 9:35am
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And if you want the finesse of the HE400 and the intimacy of HD650, don't buy both! Sell both and get HE500. You save more and you get a more complete slice of the pie every time you listen to music.

 

I find opinions that defend "dual headphones > a headphone combining attributes of the two" null, because you can never listen to both those polarizing headphones simultaneously, so despite all your headphone swapping during music-listening, you're ALWAYS only getting a polarized slice of the musical enjoyment. A "synthesis" headphone, even if it has a few minor weaknesses compared to the best attributes of the two headphones it is compared to, will always bring more enjoyment therefore.

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^^ +1 However I'm quite content with the HE-400 + J$s, very coherent and balanced sounding indeed :)

 

God I'm starting to sound like a broken record...

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People who listen to Skrillex might be looking simply for impact. But for more underground electronic music I find flat response always wins. 

 

Listen to this - impact won't matter for this. Treble "sparkle" won't matter either. It's about representing all sounds, and in particular the oft-neglected midrange. 

 

I think I'm going to have to try the HD 650 at least.


Edited by jiggahwhat - 2/24/13 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by jiggahwhat View Post

People who listen to Skrillex might be looking simply for impact. But for more underground electronic music I find flat response always wins. 

 

Listen to this - impact won't matter for this. Treble "sparkle" won't matter either. It's about representing all sounds, and in particular the oft-neglected midrange. 

 

I think I'm going to have to try the HD 650 at least.

Well the lack of treble sparkle is an indication of a colored sound. I don't think you need a boost of treble to make it sparkle. I think the treble needs to be detailed enough to be sparkly.

 

If you want a flat response, don't go for the HD650 is all I'm saying. Maybe those annies MLE keeps talking about will suit you better.

post #7854 of 17920
The Annie is a bridge between the HD650 and Q701. Very balanced with an injection of warmth, but not HD650 warmth. Airier, more treble than the HD650, but still smooth. Bass is very rich, and nice, not overly stated, nor boring. Not HE400 bass, but still, good bass.

They get my full recommendation for those who want a linear response with nice warmth, detail, and air.
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

And if you want the finesse of the HE400 and the intimacy of HD650, don't buy both! Sell both and get HE500. You save more and you get a more complete slice of the pie every time you listen to music.

 

I find opinions that defend "dual headphones > a headphone combining attributes of the two" null, because you can never listen to both those polarizing headphones simultaneously, so despite all your headphone swapping during music-listening, you're ALWAYS only getting a polarized slice of the musical enjoyment. A "synthesis" headphone, even if it has a few minor weaknesses compared to the best attributes of the two headphones it is compared to, will always bring more enjoyment therefore.

Definitely agree here.  I feel like switching between the two constantly would be disorienting, considering it takes time to get acclimated to each's sound signature.  That is one reason I typically read very lightly into A/B comparisions between headphones that are very different.  I understand the intention, but to have one headphone that works best to suit your needs is ideal in my option.  I'm quite satisfied in how the HE-400 performs for everything I use them for currently, but in the future (and when expenses permit) I would want look into something like a higher tier HiFiMan or Audeze for that added refinement, and curiosity into what that sounds like.  Also, I've clearly been bitten by the planar bug, so there's no turning back biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by jiggahwhat View Post

People who listen to Skrillex might be looking simply for impact. But for more underground electronic music I find flat response always wins. 

 

Listen to this - impact won't matter for this. Treble "sparkle" won't matter either. It's about representing all sounds, and in particular the oft-neglected midrange. 

 

I think I'm going to have to try the HD 650 at least.

 

I think this sounds pretty great out of my HE-400, but I do currently have some EQ applied so I'm sure it'll be different for everyone depending on their equipment and settings.  I've been listening to Burial for the past hour and have been pretty immersed - I don't feel the midrange is compromised, but again I do have EQ present that brings it more forward.  Naturally a flat response is going to be ideal if you want to hear every detail for any type of music, but I do find the HE-400 responds well to adjustments if you are willing.


Edited by modulor - 2/24/13 at 10:52am
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The LCD2 takes the best things about the HE400 and HD650 and puts it in one, very heavy, expensive package. Only downside being that it loses out on soundstage and air.
post #7857 of 17920
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The LCD2 takes the best things about the HE400 and HD650 and puts it in one, very heavy, expensive package. Only downside being that it loses out on soundstage and air.

And HE500 also takes the best things about those two cans and puts it into a slightly less heavy and less expensive package, losing out on pretty much nothing and actually gaining a few things over both of them.

 

HE500 loses out on swag compared to LCD2 though. Luxury vs utility.

post #7858 of 17920
If I didn't already own the Annies, and wasn't so happy with them as my warm, super comfy, balanced headphone, I'm not gonna lie, I'd be tempted on the HE500.

Pretty sure I'm gonna sell the HE400 soon enough, and probably save up for the TH600 or hopefully find a 2012 D7000 at some point. After that, I'm gonna take a break from Head-fi.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/24/13 at 11:16am
post #7859 of 17920
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The LCD2 takes the best things about the HE400 and HD650 and puts it in one, very heavy, expensive package. Only downside being that it loses out on soundstage and air.

Totally agree!

Losing air/spaciousness is the only pain in LCD-2:(

Although HE-400 is not excellent in this regard either, but it seems to be better.


Edited by korzena - 2/24/13 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Haha yeah I know :D 

Well it's more neutral, the tizzyness is gone, and voices/higher guitars are actually quite forward now. Seperation and imaging are obviously better, but that's even true with the stockstock HE-400. I actually really like the mids of the HE-400 now, I'ven ever heard more realistic voices, ever! Well apart from real voices...

Soundstage is bigger and better than the HD650, although soundstage width is smaller with the J$s than with the velours. And soundstage depth is also increased.

Also, hello sparkly treble without being harsh! HD650 has no sparkle :(

That leaves the magical midrange of the HD650, but this limits the HD650 to mid ranged oriented music. As a drummer, I like cymbals and tight boom boom... (no bloated bass though!)

 

I do not really agree with your statement that it's a double no way, unlocking the HD650s full potential is pretty costly. Like so costly that you might as well buy the HE-500 and modi-magni set. 

The Fiio E9 us usually regarded as a pretty good amp for the money, and it's still not cheap imo. I didn't really like the HD650 so much with the E9. 

 

Now this is just my opinion, but I think you get more out of your money with the HE-400. And this is not an uncommon thought. I do think the HD650 would be a good complimentary headphone for the HE-400. I haven't had the chance to to an AB test between the HE-400 and HD650 so I'm doing this from memory and notes. But the difference is quite clear I think.

 

 

Ok so lets go back to my first "no way"  It was addressing the comment of the HE-400s being "2 levels" above the HD650s.  This is what the no way was about.  Not which one do you prefer. 

 

I've been fortunate to purchase some higher end amps and this is where my perspective is coming from.  Also, I'm not a EQ'er I pretty much listen to the headphone "as is" except for re cabling jobs for balanced connections.  So when I hear the HE-400s and the treble jab me in the head multiple times, with out any kind of mods.  That's what that headphone was made to do.  

 

So I set right in the middle so to speak.  I can't afford the Stax rigs I want.  But I can get most other headphones on the market with in reason.  So I'm not limited to the M&M stack or the O stack.  I can go up a little further.  This is where I have seen or heard the 650s sound it's best at.  The 400s will not scale.  It is what it is with them.  

 

So with out EQ'ing - it's hard to put the 400s on the right amp.  The bass make you want to put them on a neutral amp.  But the treble makes you want to put them on a forgiving amp.  Either way just messes up the other.  Did that sound right?  If you put the 650s on a pretty good neutral amp - IMO your all set.

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