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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

For those of you who want an endgame sound but don't want the LCD2 (dis)comfort and prices, there's always HE500 rolleyes.gif. I prefer HE500 over LCD2 anyhow, so that more than saves $300 for me.

 

For what LCD2 offers in bass quality, HE500 offers as much in treble and openness.

 

I didn't find the lcd2 and he500 to be voiced very similarly. The tone of the hp's are pretty different. I'd compare the new MD to the he500 and say that between those two the MD sounds better, is more comfortable and cost $400 less. ph34r.gif

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LCD2's tonal balance in the treble region is definitely south of neutrality, but is within the margin for "naturalness" still. Same with HE500's treble quantity. I'd say if neutrality is at 0, and naturalness dictates treble has to be arbitrarily between 1 and -1, then LCD2 is at -1, while HE500 is at maybe -0.3.

 

Air is always good, air means distance between sound cues, aka spacious 3D separation/imaging.

 

As for degree of engagement, LCD2 and jergpadded HE500s are on par I think. Velours on HE500s make them a bit more HE400-like in tonality (sharper treble, more spacious but less lush midrange).

 

 

I would say so.

 

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Interesting thanks. If I ever upgrade my HE-400s I would want something that's better in all aspects, not just some, and since you say the HE400 is more airy and spacious sounding that would be kind of a bummer since that's important to me. I'm now curious as to how the LCD3 performs here.

 

Air is better with the LCD-3 and all aspects are slightly more refined. Still by many considered to be not worth their 2000 USD price tag. The improvement is not that big.

 

 

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Well, the LCD2 is very, very well known for it's sound by their owners, so it shouldn't be surprising that I like them a lot based off that, but comfort leaves a bit to be desired due to their weight, and I think they are ugly headphones, personally. I think they are great gaming cans including casual/fun gaming.

 

I do find the LCD-2 ugly too :/

 

 

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I wouldn't say it's a clear step up. It just has a tonality that I feel is better than the HE-400s, which does have similar LCD2 mids, and a bit too much treble. If the HE-400 had a similar frequency curve, I think the HE-400 would definitely be most of the way there.

Fit and finish: I don't particularly care for the LCD2's finish, and I feel they are about as comfy as the HE-400, pad differences aside, and a few extra point for the HE-400 for perhaps slightly hurting the top of my head sometimes. I am starting to feel pressure on the top of my head though, which isn't exactly comfortable. The HE-400 has it beat on that regard. The clamp doesn't seem problematic to me. I don't care for the pressure/suction that is like tight/closed headphones on the LCD2.

Detail retrieval: I'm not too keen on these things without direct comparison, but the mids are more upfront, which is where most music is at, so it has the HE-400 beat on that. The treble is smooth, extended and I don't personally find them to be bright back or anything. Treble aids in air, but it's not the final word. The HE-400 is definitely more airy and spacious sounding. The LCD2 has very good instrument separation, and I honestly can't say which is better as I don't have the HE-400 on hand right now. Better to ask Raven who's about to get his soon-ish.

There are things the HE-400 and LCD2 have in common, but the mids and treble differences make them not exactly comparable. Too much of a difference in emphasis between the two in that regard to truly compare, IMHO. The best thing to compare between the two would be the bass (IMO), DEFINITELY.

The LCD2 is definitely sound first, everything else second. I do like the way it looks or feels though, but the sound alone warrants purchase, as long as vegan pads really help in comfort around the ears without sacrificing sound.

 

 

Hint: http://www.head-fi.org/t/650912/hifiman-he-6-ultimate-review-write-up

 

NOT promoting! Okay maybe slightly :)

 

(those posts are the property of their respective owners. I do not own them, merely borrowed a certain amount of form or shape and altered it. :D)

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I didn't find the lcd2 and he500 to be voiced very similarly. The tone of the hp's are pretty different. I'd compare the new MD to the he500 and say that between those two the MD sounds better, is more comfortable and cost $400 less. ph34r.gif

Didn't say the two have the same voicing, just that their tonal balance in terms of treble quantity with regards to the lower end of the FR are both south of neutral (to different degrees).

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I find the LCD2 to be a thing of beauty cool.gif

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I haven't really done a proper A/B comparison (yet), but I go from using my GR07-BE while at work and commuting to the HE-400 at home, and find they both meet my needs.  Obviously, I enjoy the HE-400 more, but for a small, portable IEM to come close the way I feel the BE does makes them, or I imagine the MKII variant, a nice companion.  Off the top of my head, the BE's sound stage is more intimate, with a slightly more forward midrange.  Perhaps MattTCG can comment on his experiences between the two.

 

What IEMs did you use before?


Thanks for you comment! those iems look pretty cool. They remind me of the senns IE80s only a bit more industrial looking, very nice.

 

I've used the IE80s and the shure SE425, and was very underwhelmed with both of them. The sound quality/price ratio was very bad with both of them imo.
I currently own the some german meastro closed headphones, which sound pretty darn good. But they are pretty darn big and hair messing up headphones :p
I'll look into those vsonics!

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@MattTCG - The credit card trick worked immaculately! Very good piece of advice I don't think I would have been able to get the pads in otherwise. Bold that **** in your FAQ!

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Thanks for you comment! those iems look pretty cool. They remind me of the senns IE80s only a bit more industrial looking, very nice.

 

I've used the IE80s and the shure SE425, and was very underwhelmed with both of them. The sound quality/price ratio was very bad with both of them imo.
I currently own the some german meastro closed headphones, which sound pretty darn good. But they are pretty darn big and hair messing up headphones :p
I'll look into those vsonics!

 

The gr07 is a special iem. Outside of a custom, it's hard to beat. You could compare more to the he4 than the he400 though. 

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@MattTCG - The credit card trick worked immaculately! Very good piece of advice I don't think I would have been able to get the pads in otherwise. Bold that **** in your FAQ!

 

Will do. Glad that it worked for you. 

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Checked out for a week and 467 unread posts... HE-400 thread FTW! I missed page 400 post but hope I'll make it on pg 500.. baahhaaahaa!!

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^^ No. You have to post on the he500 thread for that. tongue.gif

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I dunno MLE.  You've been away from the D7000 long and you've transitioned your tastes to things more along the lines of HE-400, HD650, K702AE and now LCD-2.  You might be surprised if you listened to the D7000 again.

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^^ I'd agree with this. For a long time, the d5k was my primary hp and I loved it dearly. I thought it was an end game hp for me. I haven't heard it in a year but I don't think that I feel that same way about if I heard it again today. 

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I am well over Denon headphones. The treble is a 100% deal-breaker for me on those. Plus, how can a headphone be called audiophile-grade with such recessed mids? (D2000 in my experience, cant imagine the 5k or 7k have a much different signature given they use the same drivers)

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The gr07 is a special iem. Outside of a custom, it's hard to beat. You could compare more to the he4 than the he400 though. 

 

Hmm that's very interesting indeed.

 

 

It would go well with my current mobile setup, very cheap and tiny, but very effective :D

 

Sansa clip zip + 32 gb + fiio E6 + ghetto custom cable!

 

Do the GR07 sound 'natural' as in not to closed in or tinny sounding? I found the SE425s to sound very tinny sounding.

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For a second I thought i was on the ClieOS thread.

 

This thread sure is very... "eclectic".

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^^ My last post host nothing to do with the HE-400 correct. However this conversation sprouted from the amazing SQ/price ratio of the HE-400.

 

The reason I'm not taking this conversation elsewhere, is because I like the people in this thread :) Don't worry, I won't be posting reviews/comparisons of IEMs in this thread!

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