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post #7426 of 17700

I've been thoroughly impressed and pleased with the HE-400, but I'm not the only one.

 

I work at an audio/video production studio and there are DT-770 PROs provided for everyone, so I brought these in just to mix things up. As a woman from Finland I work with walked by, she could easily hear the music through the open grills and thought I listened to it too loudly. I gave them to her to see it wasn't loud. "You are right," she said, and went to hand them back. "Oh wait," she took the headphones again and listened for a minute. "Das high quality sound!"

 

Who am I to disagree?

post #7427 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, I mainly mean for the change from sticky/hot pads, to something closer to velour. I'm sure I'd much prefer the vegan pads. Nothing else bothers me comnfort-wise. The airplane pressure is a bit bothersome though.

That sound is fantastic though. THAT BASS. It reaches doooooown.

Seriously though, the LCD2 sound-wise basically voids the need to have the HD650 and HE-400 at once, as long as the smoother treble is more preferable than the HE-400's sparkle.

 

I heard the same as you when I auditioned the lcd2. The sound signature is end game for me. And yes, it does replace the he400 and hd650. So the price is not really out of kilter when you consider that it replaces two hp's. 

 

But I did find the weight and clamp too much for me. After day three, despite my love of the sound, I didn't want to wear them anymore. redface.gif  It was painful...literally. My perfect hp was not comfortable enough to wear. 

post #7428 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


That's not to say the LCD2's sound is for everyone. The treble is definitely gonna sound veiled if people prefer HE-400 sparkle in comparison. It also sounds kind of like a closed headphone in air/soundstage.

That is a good description. They have that same addictive tonality as the HD-650s. Don't yell at me, but the J-money pads on the HE-400 really emulate that sound with a bit more sparkle. A/B comparing them (fast because I can change them quick!!!) they sound strikingly similar.

post #7429 of 17700
I can see that happening. They do share a lot of the HE-400's characteristics, just different emphasis on mids and treble. If the HE-400 can swap out treble for mids... by all means, go for it. I just can't deal with frigging leather pads. I've been wearing them for about 30 minutes, and my ears/skin are on fire.

And YES, the HE-400 gets you a LONG way to the LCD2's sound, IMHO. Just wish the treble and mids were reversed, WITH velours.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/16/13 at 10:25am
post #7430 of 17700
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I heard the same as you when I auditioned the lcd2. The sound signature is end game for me. And yes, it does replace the he400 and hd650. So the price is not really out of kilter when you consider that it replaces two hp's. 

But I did find the weight and clamp too much for me. After day three, despite my love of the sound, I didn't want to wear them anymore. redface.gif
  It was painful...literally. My perfect hp was not comfortable enough to wear. 

Psh. What is this comfort u speak of. Still just got a raise at work. So he 400 vs dt880 600ohm battle will go dwn 4 me soon
post #7431 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

They have that same addictive tonality as the HD-650s.

Absolutely. The HD650 made me a believer of warmth+mids. I was quite literally surprised.

I think a few years ago, I would not have liked the LCD2. Now, I can definitely see why people love them as much as they do. On sound alone, I would personally still choose the Denon D7000 over the LCD2 for my taste in music, but LCD2 is definitely my 2nd choice, and HE-400 comes third. For my non-specific music needs, (outside of my preferred genres), it's the AKG Annie first due to it's all-rounder nature that suits basically all my needs, though isn't the best at any.

I have to say, the LCD2 deserves the hype. Not sure on that price tag though. I wish I could afford them. Headamp has them with Vegan pads for $995. Grr.... lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/16/13 at 10:41am
post #7432 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Listening to some bamboo LCD2's that I just got from Headamp's loaner program.

First impression on sound: HE-400 bass + HD650 mids and treble + refinement = LCD2.

So if you love both the HE-400 for it's bass, and everything else on the HD650, the LCD2 is for you.

Hate the pads though. Seriously. UGH. And it has that airplane pressure feel when you put them on. Not the greatest feeling. The weight of the bamboo LCD2 doesn't feel much different from the HE-400, so that's not really a concern.

Really wish I had the vegan pads.

Not gonna lie, I would sell the HE-400 and get the LCD2 + Vegan pads, as endgame. Can't afford it though, and I wouldn't give up my Annies for the air, soundstage, gaming prowess and comfort.

So basically

LCD2 + Annie = I'd be done.

 

Interesting stuff MLE. I've long been fascinated with the LCD2 and would only consider it if it were a clear step above the HE400 which you seem to think it is. I got a couple of questions if you don't mind. 

 

First and foremost, how does the fit and finish compare to the Hifimans? I would assume it's on another level. Secondly what do you make of the clamp? If it's anything like the HE400 I'd be happy with it. It's also good that you don't find it heavy.

 

Detail retrieval... how does it compare to the HE400? I guess this is partly related to the treble which you say is like the HD650, so in other words recessed and smooth. Wouldn't this give the impression that there is less detail being resolved?

 

I also find your comment on air/soundstage being similar to a closed can to be interesting. I've read many times how the LCD2's soundstage is small, but many counter that by saying it's more realistic, and presents a wider soundstage when it's present in the recording. I've also read that there's plenty of air between instruments, but you don't agree there. How does it compare to the HE400 in that regard?

 

Sorry for the question overload, color me curious.

post #7433 of 17700
I wouldn't say it's a clear step up. It just has a tonality that I feel is better than the HE-400s, which doesn't have those LCD2 mids, and a bit too much treble. If the HE-400 had a similar frequency curve, I think the HE-400 would definitely be most of the way there.

Fit and finish: I don't particularly care for the LCD2's finish, and I feel they are about as comfy as the HE-400, pad differences aside, and a few extra point for the HE-400 for not hurting the top of my head. I am starting to feel pressure on the top of my head though, which isn't exactly comfortable. The HE-400 has it beat on that regard. The clamp doesn't seem problematic to me. I don't care for the pressure/suction that is like tight/closed headphones on the LCD2.

Detail retrieval: I'm not too keen on these things without direct comparison, but the mids are more upfront, which is where most music is at, so it has the HE-400 beat on that. The treble is smooth, but I don't personally find them to be laid back or anything. Treble aids in air, but it's not the final word. The HE-400 is definitely more airy and spacious sounding. The LCD2 has very good instrument separation, and I honestly can't say which is better as I don't have the HE-400 on hand right now. Better to ask Raven who's about to get his soon-ish.

There are things the HE-400 and LCD2 have in common, but the mids and treble differences make them not exactly comparable. Too much of a difference in emphasis between the two in that regard to truly compare, IMHO. The best thing to compare between the two would be the bass, DEFINITELY.

The LCD2 is definitely sound first, everything else second. I don't like the way it looks or feels, at all, but the sound alone warrants purchase, as long as vegan pads really help in comfort around the ears without sacrificing sound.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/16/13 at 10:57am
post #7434 of 17700

You should stop making positive reviews of headphones i can't afford triportsad.gif

 

 

Is that loaner program valid for Brazil too?


Edited by Okamoto - 2/16/13 at 11:03am
post #7435 of 17700
Well, the LCD2 is very, very well known for it's sound, so it shouldn't be surprising that I like them a lot based off that, but comfort leaves a bit to be desired, and I think they are ugly headphones, personally. Also don't think they'll be great gaming cans either aside from casual/fun gaming.
post #7436 of 17700

For those of you who want an endgame sound but don't want the LCD2 (dis)comfort and prices, there's always HE500 rolleyes.gif. I prefer HE500 over LCD2 anyhow, so that more than saves $300 for me.

 

For what LCD2 offers in bass quality, HE500 offers as much in treble and openness.


Edited by jerg - 2/16/13 at 11:09am
post #7437 of 17700
The LCD-2's bass is a definite thing of beauty. I'd obviously have to hear the HE-500 though. I don't see the need for more treble and air, at least for music needs, but the LCD2 is definitely not perfect or even an all rounder. Can't get away from that wall of sound the LCD2 has which is engaging, but not realistic, IMHO.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/16/13 at 11:12am
post #7438 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I wouldn't say it's a clear step up. It just has a tonality that I feel is better than the HE-400s, which doesn't have those LCD2 mids, and a bit too much treble. If the HE-400 had a similar frequency curve, I think the HE-400 would definitely be most of the way there.

Fit and finish: I don't particularly care for the LCD2's finish, and I feel they are about as comfy as the HE-400, pad differences aside, and a few extra point for the HE-400 for not hurting the top of my head. I am starting to feel pressure on the top of my head though, which isn't exactly comfortable. The HE-400 has it beat on that regard. The clamp doesn't seem problematic to me. I don't care for the pressure/suction that is like tight/closed headphones on the LCD2.

Detail retrieval: I'm not too keen on these things without direct comparison, but the mids are more upfront, which is where most music is at, so it has the HE-400 beat on that. The treble is smooth, but I don't personally find them to be laid back or anything. Treble aids in air, but it's not the final word. The HE-400 is definitely more airy and spacious sounding. The LCD2 has very good instrument separation, and I honestly can't say which is better as I don't have the HE-400 on hand right now. Better to ask Raven who's about to get his soon-ish.

There are things the HE-400 and LCD2 have in common, but the mids and treble differences make them not exactly comparable. Too much of a difference in emphasis between the two in that regard to truly compare, IMHO. The best thing to compare between the two would be the bass, DEFINITELY.

The LCD2 is definitely sound first, everything else second. I don't like the way it looks or feels, at all, but the sound alone warrants purchase, as long as vegan pads really help in comfort around the ears without sacrificing sound.

 

Interesting thanks. If I ever upgrade my HE-400s I would want something that's better in all aspects, not just some, and since you say the HE400 is more airy and spacious sounding that would be kind of a bummer since that's important to me. I'm now curious as to how the LCD3 performs here.

post #7439 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The LCD-2's bass is a definite thing of beauty. I'd obviously have to hear the HE-500 though. I don't see the need for more treble and air, at least for music needs, but the LCD2 is definitely not perfect or even an all rounder. Can't get away from that wall of sound the LCD2 has which is engaging, but not realistic, IMHO.

LCD2's tonal balance in the treble region is definitely south of neutrality, but is within the margin for "naturalness" still. Same with HE500's treble quantity. I'd say if neutrality is at 0, and naturalness dictates treble has to be arbitrarily between 1 and -1, then LCD2 is at -1, while HE500 is at maybe -0.3.

 

Air is always good, air means distance between sound cues, aka spacious 3D separation/imaging.

 

As for degree of engagement, LCD2 and jergpadded HE500s are on par I think. Velours on HE500s make them a bit more HE400-like in tonality (sharper treble, more spacious but less lush midrange).

post #7440 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Well, the LCD2 is very, very well known for it's sound, so it shouldn't be surprising that I like them a lot based off that, but comfort leaves a bit to be desired, and I think they are ugly headphones, personally. Also don't think they'll be great gaming cans either aside from casual/fun gaming.

 

I doubt the LCD2 not being good for gaming is something anyone would worry about.

 

I had a Stax SR-007 in mind for a future update, but i'll probably end up getting a HE-500 after all. Anyways, i'm pretty happy with the HE-400, don't feel the needing to change it right now.

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