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post #7366 of 17995
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

The review is already written. Just waiting on the amp now. blink.gif lol...biggrin.gif


You mean like, written in your head based on biases? Or like an actual review? Cause I want >:(

post #7367 of 17995

Picked up a HE-400 last week from HeadAmp (Justin offers superb customer service, and the shipping was darn fast).

 

The HE-400's sound so clear, and the instrument separation is insane.. it makes me wonder if more expensive headphones can possibly offer a better listening experience than the HE-400's.

 

-Brian

post #7368 of 17995
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post


You mean like, written in your head based on biases? Or like an actual review? Cause I want >:(

 

I was just kidding around. Once I have the amp, I will do a full review comparing to the lyr, e09 once I've had a week or so with it. 

post #7369 of 17995
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post


Oh boy oh boy oh boy :D

 

Just so you know, we expect a 2000+ words review on the asgard 2 >:(

 

No kidding, 1000+ is fine! :D

As a writer, I see this and think that's totally reasonable ... when I'm on a newsdesk shift, we work four-hour shifts and are expected to do at least 4,000 words during said shift 

post #7370 of 17995
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Originally Posted by Egaku View Post

Picked up a HE-400 last week from HeadAmp (Justin offers superb customer service, and the shipping was darn fast).

 

The HE-400's sound so clear, and the instrument separation is insane.. it makes me wonder if more expensive headphones can possibly offer a better listening experience than the HE-400's.

 

-Brian


Just don't man, think of your poor wallet!

I'm really content with the HE-400, and I don't think other headphones will provide that much more enjoyment.

 

What I would spend more money on would be an cIEM that would sound like the HE-400! However all the IEMs I owned didn't sound nearly as good as closed full sized headphones half their price....

post #7371 of 17995
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

I went from E17, to E9 and my raod ended on the Asgard  (i think 1). At this point i no longer wish to improve que quality by the Amp, maybe change the E17 for another DAC like the Bifrost, but it will have to wait till my wallet regenerates a bit.

 

Ohnoitztotoro When it comes to Volume, the HE-400 get good volume of an E17 (gain 12 volume 50+ that is), but at that point i belive some sound quality is lost.

 

I tried the E9, and while it was Loud, it felt a bit empty (dont know how else to describe it). However with the Asgard, the sound synergy really worked great.

 

I havent tried the amp you mention, but id suggest you check if you can try something like the asgard in a store to see if your amp is the reason you hear lower volumes, or if its the HP itself.

On a side note, as far as i know, if something sounds louder at the same volume (assuming same eficiency, etc), means the sound quality is worse.

But i belive it has nothing to do with that, probably the HD650 are easier to drive for your particular amplifier.

Thanks for the help. I find that a bit strange if the HD650 are easier to drive off my amp compared to the HE-400 since when I researched the forums people were calling the HD650 a headphone that was quite hard to drive properly whereas the HE-400's were not too amp picky. I'm thinking it might be a mix of a less than optimal synergy with my amp and just the fact that the mids aren't as forward as the HD650s that give the illusion of the sound not being loud enough. 

 

I do find it extremely strange that the Fiios would be able to run the HE-400 better than the little dot MkII amps though which is why I'm more inclined to think that the amp isn't the issue. I would like to try these HP's on other amps but audio shops are really disappearing quick all around me D: Best I can find off Yelp are repair shops lol 

post #7372 of 17995

Yeah that's just the thing.  9 times out of 10 when people say headphones are 'hard to drive' on head-fi, they're really saying that they're hard to sound great or 'synergize' well with particular amps.  Very rarely will you see somebody actually comment about a headphone being hard to drive because of actual power requirements.

post #7373 of 17995
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Yeah that's just the thing.  9 times out of 10 when people say headphones are 'hard to drive' on head-fi, they're really saying that they're hard to sound great or 'synergize' well with particular amps.  Very rarely will you see somebody actually comment about a headphone being hard to drive because of actual power requirements.

+1 to this. The exception would be something like the HE-6 or the K1000. But if you own those you should know what you are getting into.....

post #7374 of 17995
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Yeah that's just the thing.  9 times out of 10 when people say headphones are 'hard to drive' on head-fi, they're really saying that they're hard to sound great or 'synergize' well with particular amps.  Very rarely will you see somebody actually comment about a headphone being hard to drive because of actual power requirements.

Ah I see. To me though, "sounding great" and "not being loud enough" are different issues. I won't know without trying a different amp so I cannot say for certain but it does seem strange the if fiios can drive the HE-400 to good volumes, then the little dots should be able to as well.That is unless, my ears are shot to oblivion lol. To be fair though my amp does get "loud enough" but I find myself turning the volume knob much further up, to the point it would be considered "blow your eardrums" loud on the HD650's. That gets me quite conscious that I shouldn't be pushing the volume that high haha. Overall that characteristic of having to turn the knob higher makes it seem like its a power issue. 


Edited by Ohnoitztotoro - 2/15/13 at 10:11am
post #7375 of 17995
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Originally Posted by whiskaz View Post

You could just leave the E17 plugged in... it works well with iphone wall-warts. I charge mine using the wall-wart from my old Motorola Atrix and my Samsung Note 2. I have an Asgard 2 on order and had thought about returning the E17 if I liked the A2 well enough but I've found the E17 handy in that I can take it around the house hooked to my Note 2. I think I'll keep it. The HE-400s may not be portable but at least I can listen to them in other rooms of my house easily.

I'm definitely not returning my E17! Perish the thought! I love that thing. I'm looking for a desktop to get better sound and have a little more overhead for my Orthos. The Output power ratings on these Amps are all over the map. The FiiO has 900 mW and the OC2 has only 613 mW.

Are they using different ratings to determine power here or has the FiiO really got that much more power? confused.gif

 

 

Quote FiiO E9 Specs
- Power: 900mW (32Ω); 150mW (300Ω)- Impedance Range:16 ~ 600Ω
- SNR: >100dB (A weight)
- Distortion: <0.003% (100mW)
 - Line Out: 2V rms
- Pre Out: 0~6V rms
- Power: DC15V/ 1.5A
- Size: 149 × 96 × 56mm
- Weight: 440g

 

 

 

 

 

Quote: OC2 Spec Sheet
  • Frequency Response: +0.01, -0.01 dB (20Hz-20kHz)
  • THD 1 Khz 150 Ohms: 0.0016%
  • IMD CCIF 15 Ohms: 0.001%
  • IMD SMPTE: 0.002%
  • Noise (ref 400 mV): -105 dB
  • Max Output (33 Ohms): 613 mW
  • Output Impedance: 0.54 Ohms
  • Crosstalk (15 ohms): 65 dB
  • Channel Balance (max volume): 0.6 dB

     

  • Gain: 2.5x and 6.5x
  • Volume Potentiometer Taper: 15A or 3B
  • Case Dimensions: 108.50 x 80.00 29.50 x mm (excludes knobs/buttons)
  • Weight: 11 oz, with batteries 
post #7376 of 17995
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post


Just don't man, think of your poor wallet!

I'm really content with the HE-400, and I don't think other headphones will provide that much more enjoyment.

 

What I would spend more money on would be an cIEM that would sound like the HE-400! However all the IEMs I owned didn't sound nearly as good as closed full sized headphones half their price....


I haven't really done a proper A/B comparison (yet), but I go from using my GR07-BE while at work and commuting to the HE-400 at home, and find they both meet my needs.  Obviously, I enjoy the HE-400 more, but for a small, portable IEM to come close the way I feel the BE does makes them, or I imagine the MKII variant, a nice companion.  Off the top of my head, the BE's sound stage is more intimate, with a slightly more forward midrange.  Perhaps MattTCG can comment on his experiences between the two.

 

What IEMs did you use before?

post #7377 of 17995

While the HE-400/G109 pairing sounds terrific, I still really enjoy how the HE-400 sound with the O2.  Very smooth & clear to my ears.  Through the O2, the HE-400's mids have very nice body and positioning while the bass is full and punchy.  Plus, the O2's low gain has plenty enough power to ably drive it (not just loud.. but with excellent control, depth, and dynamics).  If it was the only amp I had to pair with the HE-400, I'd be more than satisfied.

post #7378 of 17995

Hello guys, today i received my he 400 i am enjoying them greatly n_n still breaking them in, I have a e10/e9 combo if i wanted to upgrade which should i upgrade first the dac or the amp? thanks

post #7379 of 17995
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Originally Posted by fox350z View Post

Hello guys, today i received my he 400 i am enjoying them greatly n_n still breaking them in, I have a e10/e9 combo if i wanted to upgrade which should i upgrade first the dac or the amp? thanks


As a general rule, the amp will have the greater impact on the sound.  I would say to do that amp first.  However, I just did both so I'm not practicing what I'm preaching.

post #7380 of 17995
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Originally Posted by fox350z View Post

Hello guys, today i received my he 400 i am enjoying them greatly n_n still breaking them in, I have a e10/e9 combo if i wanted to upgrade which should i upgrade first the dac or the amp? thanks


With the E9 you're probably getting around 800-850mW of power, which is pretty good and will drive to high volumes...but there's always room for more power with these.

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