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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Hostile towards everyday nonsense. tongue.gif

I say that, yes, the difference in sound between the E9K and Lyr was definitely much more than 5%. I was mainly speaking of SS amps vs the E9K. Going from SS to tube/hyrbid is like a 20% change in it of itself. Not exactly performance-wise but sound signature change.

Honestly, you had crap tubes with your Lyr. I followed your journey. You should hear it with better tubes.

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Crap tubes that sounded relatively the same, despite everyone else saying they weren't. Sorry, but I dont believe in magic tubes, just like I dont believe in a 2000 dollar SS amp sounding much different from a $200 one. Having heard all types of amps, receivers, pmps, things stay relatively the same, with the exception of a hint more clarity here and there.

Just as I don't put much stock in the hype train on any amp/dac, I won't believe in some tubes radically altering what I heard already with the Lyr. People **** on the 6N1P now, but it was loved when I had the Lyr. Of course, new tubes come, and everyone throws the older stuff under the bus.

I don't work that way. I'm not a fan of the tube sound. Both tubes had minimal differences, yet I still preferred all my SS amps, including the 'lowly' E9 over the Lyr. You telling me the 6N1P is so horrible, it made the Lyr under perform vs the E9? I highly doubt that.

Just fed up with the gross exaggerations on Head-fi.

Of course, there is the fact that you can't swap tubes fast enough to truly A/B them, and just go off expectation bias more than anything else.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/26/13 at 8:23pm
post #6288 of 18450

These headphones are so high frequency, I was listening to two headed boy pt.2 on them (from in the aeroplane over the sea) in flac format and they actually hurt my ears. So I put on my other headphones and it sounded soft again. I notice a lot of things just sound louder on these headphone. Like individual aspects of a song. Mostly like symbols and stuff.

post #6289 of 18450
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Someone who isn't swayed by the bigger, more expensive setup. WHY I NEVER! biggrin.gif

Someone who actually makes some damn sense.

All you hear around here: OMG, amp X is SOOOOO much better than my Fiio E9K? I can't believe the difference, blah, blah, blah. Expectation bias, and people being swayed by shiny new gear.

B*tch please, the difference is like 5%, if that. So tired of the pure hyperbole here. I had the E9K and the SA-31, and I A/B-ed them with the ODAC with the HD650, 990s, and HE-400. The Fiio E9K put up a REALLY good fight on all fronts.

Then I went from the $500 amp and highly regarded dac, to the $500 amp/dac device, and the difference wasn't so large, that I 'stepped' down to the lower amp/dac, ad don't regret it one bit.

 

 

I like this post very much, even though it could be considered subversive and the poster subjected to a very painful death for heresy. Of course, if that happens I'll deny that I liked it, at least until the **** crows three times. biggrin.gif  

 

MLE, I notice you have a Marantz SR5002 in your armoury. I wonder if you've given that a run with your headphones. Marantz amps, even HT amps, can be surprisingly good with phones.

 

EDIT: Ha, that's funny. I wrote the name of a certain type of fowl beginning with c and ending with k and Head-Fi has asterixed it out as being rude. Someone needs to get a dictionary--or a Bible. 


Edited by pp312 - 1/26/13 at 9:06pm
post #6290 of 18450
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Crap tubes that sounded relatively the same, despite everyone else saying they weren't. Sorry, but I dont believe in magic tubes, just like I dont believe in a 2000 dollar SS amp sounding much different from a $200 one. Having heard all types of amps, receivers, pmps, things stay relatively the same, with the exception of a hint more clarity here and there.

Just as I don't put much stock in the hype train on any amp/dac, I won't believe in some tubes radically altering what I heard already with the Lyr. People **** on the 6N1P now, but it was loved when I had the Lyr. Of course, new tubes come, and everyone throws the older stuff under the bus.

I don't work that way. I'm not a fan of the tube sound. Both tubes had minimal differences, yet I still preferred all my SS amps, including the 'lowly' E9 over the Lyr. You telling me the 6N1P is so horrible, it made the Lyr under perform vs the E9? I highly doubt that.

Just fed up with the gross exaggerations on Head-fi.

Of course, there is the fact that you can't swap tubes fast enough to truly A/B them, and just go off expectation bias more than anything else.

Yes the 6n1p is horrible. that is what I am telling you. No "hype train", it is what I hear.  I have always hated Russian tubes, small sound stage mid-centric to the point of sounding closed in and noisy . The Lyr is very receptive to tube rolling. i am not telling you what you should prefer or buy i am just saying you had crap tubes as compared to some of the tubes that are out there that do in fact "radically change" the sound of the amp for the better.

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Here is the HE400 manual I said i would scan:

 

 

 

 

 

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post #6292 of 18450
You are the MAN, Justin. thank you.
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I like this post very much, even though it could be considered subversive and the poster subjected to a very painful death for heresy. Of course, if that happens I'll deny that I liked it, at least until the **** crows three times. biggrin.gif   

MLE, I notice you have a Marantz SR5002 in your armoury. I wonder if you've given that a run with your headphones. Marantz amps, even HT amps, can be surprisingly good with phones.

EDIT: Ha, that's funny. I wrote the name of a certain type of fowl beginning with c and ending with k and Head-Fi has asterixed it out as being rude. Someone needs to get a dictionary--or a Bible. 

Actually been using the K702 Anniversary with the Marantz. VERY surprised at how good it sounds. It's a pinch warmer than my Compass 2 (which treads on neutrality). It's not as refined when I directly compared, but the warmth adds some euphoric tonality to the sound which is very pleasant. Also, the Dolby Headphone processing paired up with that warmth works like a charm for movies and games. Sounds less processed than what I was used to with the Mixamps. Overall, I'm very happy with the SR5002, despite some troubles with my PS3 and HDMI not working, and it not being user friendly...at all, lol.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/26/13 at 10:04pm
post #6294 of 18450
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Originally Posted by justin w. View Post

Here is the HE400 manual I said i would scan:

 

Thanks a bunch!

post #6295 of 18450
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Originally Posted by justin w. View Post

Here is the HE400 manual I said i would scan:

 

 

 

Woah woah woah, 3 years warranty now? I thought Hifiman always only had 1 year warranty.

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Woah woah woah, 3 years warranty now? I thought Hifiman always only had 1 year warranty.

 

Yes.  Interesting.  I was going to add the same comment.  Also, when you look at the page of the items that are included under "Accessories" they state: Leather Earpads, 1 Pair (on the headphones)

 

Hmm ... are they now shipping with real "leather" ear pads?

 

I do like the page in the manual where it provides some guidance on how to adjust the headband, though.

post #6297 of 18450
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Yes.  Interesting.  I was going to add the same comment.  Also, when you look at the page of the items that are included under "Accessories" they state: Leather Earpads, 1 Pair (on the headphones)

 

Hmm ... are they now shipping with real "leather" ear pads?

 

I do like the page in the manual where it provides some guidance on how to adjust the headband, though.

I highly doubt it.

post #6298 of 18450

no, i dont think they've switched to real leather.  the 3 year warranty is nice

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post #6299 of 18450
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Here is the HE400 manual I said i would scan:

 

Let's hope it's not copyrighted. Anyone want to contribute a penny towards Justin's legal expenses? biggrin.gif

post #6300 of 18450
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no, i dont think they've switched to real leather.  the 3 year warranty is nice

 

Good news about the warranty. Would that apply to us folks who bought the headphones before the warranty change?

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