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post #6271 of 17959
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Liking my Modi and Magni with these more and more each day. I feel like they're getting all the power they need, and some. I also cant, for the life of me, discern a difference between the Magni + attenuators and without (from a sound quality standpoint). The extra play on the volume knob is really nice with them in.

 

Been listening to a lot of video game music and chip-tune and it sounds great with the HE-400

 

I also love video game soundtracks a lot. KH,FF,Heavy rain, uncharted, Halo, Yakuza 3s, etc. OSTs for games are awesome very often, more so that you can connect the songs with the emotions and encounters you had within the game :D

I also listen to Chiptune... Wait, nevermind that is a different "Chip"tune you lisnte to :D

post #6272 of 17959
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I think that you underestimate the powers of a frugal shopper. wink.gif
. I do believe that the e09k with an odac is not only sufficient but a good pairing for the headphones I have. The lyr and bifrost while better are really just an indulgence because I had the money at the time and got a very good deal on them. 

Someone who isn't swayed by the bigger, more expensive setup. WHY I NEVER! biggrin.gif

Someone who actually makes some damn sense.

All you hear around here: OMG, amp X is SOOOOO much better than my Fiio E9K? I can't believe the difference, blah, blah, blah. Expectation bias, and people being swayed by shiny new gear.

B*tch please, the difference is like 5%, if that. So tired of the pure hyperbole here. I had the E9K and the SA-31, and I A/B-ed them with the ODAC with the HD650, 990s, and HE-400. The Fiio E9K put up a REALLY good fight on all fronts.

Then I went from the $500 amp and highly regarded dac, to the $500 amp/dac device, and the difference wasn't so large, that I 'stepped' down to the lower amp/dac, ad don't regret it one bit.

Still, the LYR being a tube does have it's very own signature compared to all the SS amps I've owned. That much was noticeable. I may get a tube amp in the future just to have that noticeable change in signature again.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/26/13 at 3:24pm
post #6273 of 17959

Geez Mad Lust Envy... why so hostile?  redface.gif 

post #6274 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Someone who isn't swayed by the bigger, more expensive setup. WHY I NEVER! biggrin.gif

Someone who actually makes some damn sense.

All you hear around here: OMG, amp X is SOOOOO much better than my Fiio E9K? I can't believe the difference, blah, blah, blah. Expectation bias, and people being swayed by shiny new gear.

B*tch please, the difference is like 5%, if that. So tired of the pure hyperbole here. I had the E9K and the SA-31, and I A/B-ed them with the ODAC with the HD650, 990s, and HE-400. The Fiio E9K put up a REALLY good fight on all fronts.

Then I went from the $500 amp and highly regarded dac, to the $500 amp/dac device, and the difference wasn't so large, that I 'stepped' down to the lower amp/dac, ad don't regret it one bit.

Still, the LYR being a tube does have it's very own signature compared to all the SS amps I've owned. That much was noticeable. I may get a tube amp in the future just to have that noticeable change in signature again.

I'd suggest it's more than 5%, at least in the case of the E9K and E17.

post #6275 of 17959
Hostile towards everyday nonsense. tongue.gif

I say that, yes, the difference in sound between the E9K and Lyr was definitely much more than 5%. I was mainly speaking of SS amps vs the E9K. Going from SS to tube/hyrbid is like a 20% change in it of itself. Not exactly performance-wise but sound signature change.
post #6276 of 17959
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Someone who isn't swayed by the bigger, more expensive setup. WHY I NEVER! biggrin.gif

Someone who actually makes some damn sense.

All you hear around here: OMG, amp X is SOOOOO much better than my Fiio E9K? I can't believe the difference, blah, blah, blah. Expectation bias, and people being swayed by shiny new gear.

B*tch please, the difference is like 5%, if that. So tired of the pure hyperbole here. I had the E9K and the SA-31, and I A/B-ed them with the ODAC with the HD650, 990s, and HE-400. The Fiio E9K put up a REALLY good fight on all fronts.

Then I went from the $500 amp and highly regarded dac, to the $500 amp/dac device, and the difference wasn't so large, that I 'stepped' down to the lower amp/dac, ad don't regret it one bit.

Still, the LYR being a tube does have it's very own signature compared to all the SS amps I've owned. That much was noticeable. I may get a tube amp in the future just to have that noticeable change in signature again.

To a really critical ear, 5% objective difference (especially with headphones that are transparent enough) is huge though. It might be enough of an improvement for the person to appreciate them 100% more, which is what that ultimately counts and defeats the diminishing returns philosophy.

 

For instance, hypothetically if say the only real objective difference between Q701 and K702anniv is that the anniv has a few dBs more bass quantity, sure on graphs that is only a 5% difference, but to a person scrutinizing the sound, it makes a world of difference in how much they'd appreciate the end result.

post #6277 of 17959
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Liking my Modi and Magni with these more and more each day. I feel like they're getting all the power they need, and some. I also cant, for the life of me, discern a difference between the Magni + attenuators and without (from a sound quality standpoint). The extra play on the volume knob is really nice with them in.

 

Been listening to a lot of video game music and chip-tune and it sounds great with the HE-400

 

 

Im glad those attenuators are working out for you ninjames. the volume play knob was the only thing that made me not get the magni. If i would have known about them, I probably would have bought one ….and saved some cash.

post #6278 of 17959
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

To a really critical ear, 5% objective difference (especially with headphones that are transparent enough) is huge though. It might be enough of an improvement for the person to appreciate them 100% more, which is what that ultimately counts and defeats the diminishing returns philosophy.

 

For instance, hypothetically if say the only real objective difference between Q701 and K702anniv is that the anniv has a few dBs more bass quantity, sure on graphs that is only a 5% difference, but to a person scrutinizing the sound, it makes a world of difference in how much they'd appreciate the end result.

Well put. Just my experience with upgrading my amp from the e17. First time I felt my setup produced hi-fi worthy sound, even though the difference weren't obejctively that big

post #6279 of 17959
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Originally Posted by merkil View Post

 

 

Im glad those attenuators are working out for you ninjames. the volume play knob was the only thing that made me not get the magni. If i would have known about them, I probably would have bought one ….and saved some cash.

They're also really helpful for keeping the Magni hooked up and using some of my other, cheaper headphones as well. I think they're a great buy, feel very well-made, etc. I was dissatisfied with the volume pot travel prior to them, but I would not have sent them back if I didn't get the attenuators.

post #6280 of 17959
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post


For instance, hypothetically if say the only real objective difference between Q701 and K702anniv is that the anniv has a few dBs more bass quantity, sure on graphs that is only a 5% difference, but to a person scrutinizing the sound, it makes a world of difference in how much they'd appreciate the end result.

The difference is more than the bass, I can assure you of that.
post #6281 of 17959
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

 

I also love video game soundtracks a lot. KH,FF,Heavy rain, uncharted, Halo, Yakuza 3s, etc. OSTs for games are awesome very often, more so that you can connect the songs with the emotions and encounters you had within the game :D

I also listen to Chiptune... Wait, nevermind that is a different "Chip"tune you lisnte to :D

If you want to hear a good OST check out the xenogears OST, infact just play xenogears if you haven't.  One of Squares best hands down.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_nr-Tj4dtU

 

Just don't read the comments in there if you plan to play it. lol


Edited by Scyy - 1/26/13 at 4:34pm
post #6282 of 17959

Well I've had the crappiest of crappy days.  My Headamp order was supposed to be delivered today by FedEx, it's almost 8 pm and no sign of it yet.  It says "out for delivery" since 5:30 am this morning.

 

Looks like it will be Monday afternoon at the earliest.  arghhhhhhhhhhh!  mad.gif

post #6283 of 17959
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Originally Posted by brokenthumb View Post

Well I've had the crappiest of crappy days.  My Headamp order was supposed to be delivered today by FedEx, it's almost 8 pm and no sign of it yet.  It says "out for delivery" since 5:30 am this morning.

 

Looks like it will be Monday afternoon at the earliest.  arghhhhhhhhhhh!  mad.gif

A prime example of first-world problems. rolleyes.gif

post #6284 of 17959
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

I also love video game soundtracks a lot. KH,FF,Heavy rain, uncharted, Halo, Yakuza 3s, etc. OSTs for games are awesome very often, more so that you can connect the songs with the emotions and encounters you had within the game biggrin.gif
I also listen to Chiptune... Wait, nevermind that is a different "Chip"tune you lisnte to biggrin.gif

I feel we could become great friends! Some game OSTs can carry some serious emotional investment in them, since the music is usually associated with the experience felt at that moment.
post #6285 of 17959
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

A prime example of first-world problems. rolleyes.gif

 

Isn't that the truth. rolleyes.gif

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