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post #5761 of 20181
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Yes, most of the times I experience sibilance on the HE-400 is with pop music and over-processed vocals.  Usually those tend to be bad recordings too.  The spike is still something I rather not have though.

 

I can understand.  But, if one likes what HifiMAN offers, they can go to the HE-500 to minimize this.  But, the cost "to play" also goes up by about $300.00.  That is why if your headphones use the computer as your source, it is relatively easy to EQ via the various audio players that are within our access.

post #5762 of 20181
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Originally Posted by BearWant View Post

I understand EQing to user preference, but to fix a considerable problem I'm not sure.  I have seen a few mention that they have found EQ settings that have improved sibilance, but there does not seem to be a silver bullet for those who are reporting it.  I have no experience with Foobar or other equalization software.  I'm under the assumption that they actually assuming control of the computer's audio properties, so is it correct that I could use with MOG and youtube?

 

 

I have personally given up on Foobar as of a few days ago.  I had some contention using it with the Wasapi driver as I was switching DACs in an out.  I've moved over to Winamp, and as a preference, I'm happier, and my issues have gone away.  

 

I basically drop the 6 KHz frequency down a bit and problems are solved.  I don't feel that the EQ masks anything, it just controls the response, so that frequency is "tamed."  You can control the amount of reduction that you want.  Usually, just a few dB does it.  Plus, when reducing that frequency down, it only eliminated the sibilants for me, but doesn't remove any of the other sound qualities that I enjoy.

post #5763 of 20181

I know I think I've mentioned this before with you, but the 6khz region is the area where HE-400 is recessed the most.  biggrin.gif

post #5764 of 20181
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I know I think I've mentioned this before with you, but the 6khz region is the area where HE-400 is recessed the most.  biggrin.gif

 

I was thinking the same thing, I thought the spike was a little higher up the frequency response.

post #5765 of 20181
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I know I think I've mentioned this before with you, but the 6khz region is the area where HE-400 is recessed the most.  biggrin.gif

 

Actually, not in my case.  That is where the sibilants can be heard.  So, I make my cut at that point and the issue is resolved.  We all hear - and are affected differently.  tongue.gif

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

I was thinking the same thing, I thought the spike was a little higher up the frequency response.

 

If I apply the cut at 10 KHz, I can't detect a difference.  6 KHz is the "hot spot" for my ears, and hearing.


Edited by wje - 1/21/13 at 8:24am
post #5766 of 20181

It's at about 9KHz according to headphones.com and innerfidelity.

 

Sibilance is around ~4KHz-10KHz

post #5767 of 20181
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Sibilants are louder than their non-sibilant counterparts, and most of their acoustic energy occurs at higher frequencies than non-sibilant fricatives. [s] has the most acoustic strength at around 8,000 Hz, but can reach as high as 10,000 Hz. [ʃ] has the bulk of its acoustic energy at around 4,000 Hz, but can extend up to around 8,000 Hz.

 

 

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibilant

post #5768 of 20181
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

I have personally given up on Foobar as of a few days ago.  I had some contention using it with the Wasapi driver as I was switching DACs in an out.  I've moved over to Winamp, and as a preference, I'm happier, and my issues have gone away.  

 

I basically drop the 6 KHz frequency down a bit and problems are solved.  I don't feel that the EQ masks anything, it just controls the response, so that frequency is "tamed."  You can control the amount of reduction that you want.  Usually, just a few dB does it.  Plus, when reducing that frequency down, it only eliminated the sibilants for me, but doesn't remove any of the other sound qualities that I enjoy.

I just think Winamp is an ugly, counter-intuitive player. I'm shallow.

post #5769 of 20181

Yes, the majority of natural sibilance is well below 10khz, which is probably why I only get any bad issues on the HE-400 when there's heavily processed vocals.

post #5770 of 20181
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

I just think Winamp is an ugly, counter-intuitive player. I'm shallow.

It looks nice with the Winampple skin. That's the only nice looking skin I could find for it, most are really bad IMO.

 

It still has two separate windows though which I hate... at least it's better than the default 4.

post #5771 of 20181
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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

It looks nice with the Winampple skin. That's the only nice looking skin I could find for it, most are really bad IMO.

 

It still has two separate windows though which I hate... at least it's better than the default 4.

For me, I need to have my media library presented to me nicely. I would have stuck with Windows Media Player with the FLAC plugins if I could get a good WASAPI-like plugin and if WMP was able to handle over a terabyte of music!

post #5772 of 20181
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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

It's at about 9KHz according to headphones.com and innerfidelity.

 

Sibilance is around ~4KHz-10KHz

 

I detected the highest peaks using sinegen on 7.7 khz and 11khz with mine. So sibilance is being caused in one of those two frequencies, for me at least.

 

9khz is pretty fine. Maybe it differs from ear to ear, or maybe from headhphone to headphone.

post #5773 of 20181
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

 

I detected the highest peaks using sinegen on 7.7 khz and 11khz with mine. So sibilance is being caused in one of those two frequencies, for me at least.

 

9khz is pretty fine. Maybe it differs from ear to ear, or maybe from headhphone to headphone.

Same here, to my ears there seems to be a major dip around 9kHz or so, bracketed by two treble peaks. Could be an artifact of the amp or a ringing peak in disguise though.

post #5774 of 20181
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Same here, to my ears there seems to be a major dip around 9kHz or so, bracketed by two treble peaks. Could be an artifact of the amp or a ringing peak in disguise though.

There's a major dip in most people's hearing around 9kHz. It's the quietest frequency below 15kHz aside from the bass. That's probably why so many headphones have a peak right there.

post #5775 of 20181
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

I just think Winamp is an ugly, counter-intuitive player. I'm shallow.

I think Winamp is incredibly simple and minimalistic. I love it...been using it since...well, basiclally for like 10 years.



That's what I have on the bottom right of my desktop screen. That's all I need.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/21/13 at 10:37am
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