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post #5491 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Jerg, that mod looks really promising but Im scared of trying it. Is the mounting ring glued onto the pads, so I'll need to rip it off? Same for the dust screen?

1) mounting ring is not adhered to anything, it is just slotted into the back of the pad, kind of held in my the rubber flap all around it; the flap is extremely flexible so you can just work the mounting ring out.

 

2) dust screen IS heat-glued all around the inner edge to the rest of the pad. That is why it needs to be cut out with scissors; basically just be steady and patient, and slowly work your way with a pair of scissors all around cutting out the fabric dust screen neatly. NOT before you cut away the rubber flap first though, so that the inner circumference of the dust screen is exposed.

post #5492 of 18328

Hello ,

 

I purchased a used ( but in Mint condition ) he-400 (rev4) yesterday.  I really like transparency , clarity and its fast sound. He-400 has less bass ( both quality and quantity IMO) and overally less body than my Sig pro but I can live with that but i'm really in trouble with its trebles. I listened all style of Music form Infected Mushroom to Schubert and besides some jazz and some EDM  I really can't live with these trebles frown.gif . With he-400, my favourite Schubert piece (String quintet op 163) makes me grind my teeth.

 

I need feedback from you experiences he-400 fans :) . Is there any chance trebles will tame with more burn in  or should I accept he-400 is not for my tastes ?  The first owner and me had about 25h of listening until now . 

 

 

Thanks for your answers redface.gif
 

post #5493 of 18328

For the record,

Sorrodje now owns my (ex) HE-400 and he seems to have the exact same impression I already mentionned here regarding the sparkly treble.

post #5494 of 18328

I can say for sure that the mod I posted today fixes a lot of the treble blues. Not completely, but enough so that treble seems in line with the midrange levels. However the mod is not a beginner-difficulty one.

post #5495 of 18328
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

Hello ,

 

I purchased a used ( but in Mint condition ) he-400 (rev4) yesterday.  I really like transparency , clarity and its fast sound. He-400 has less bass ( both quality and quantity IMO) and overally less body than my Sig pro but I can live with that but i'm really in trouble with its trebles. I listened all style of Music form Infected Mushroom to Schubert and besides some jazz and some EDM  I really can't live with these trebles frown.gif . With he-400, my favourite Schubert piece (String quintet op 163) makes me grind my teeth.

 

I need feedback from you experiences he-400 fans :) . Is there any chance trebles will tame with more burn in  or should I accept he-400 is not for my tastes ?  The first owner and me had about 25h of listening until now . 

 

 

Thanks for your answers redface.gif
 

Have you removed the pads to look at the drivers?

The color is the key, usually black or stark white is good, bone or tan is bad.

If they are bone you might contact Hifiman  and see if they will replace the drivers under warranty

post #5496 of 18328
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Originally Posted by ri_toast View Post

Have you removed the pads to look at the drivers?

The color is the key, usually black or stark white is good, bone or tan is bad.

If they are bone you might contact Hifiman  and see if they will replace the drivers under warranty

 

White drivers , it's not a rev3 ;)

post #5497 of 18328
The treble is not going to change by itself. You can try Jerg's mods. Unfortunately for me, unless a mod is done with velours, I'm stuck.
post #5498 of 18328

I decided to give the pleathers a try today having never listened to them. When I bought the headphones I swapped out the pleathers for the velours straight away. Anyway I've become a master in changing the pads, 1 minute flat and I can change them both out.

 

As for the sound, never ever pleather again. The sound difference is so noticeable for me, and not in a good way. Something about vocals sounds so off and distant, I couldn't stand 1 minute honestly so I put the velours on immediately.

 

About the modding of the pleather, Im not so sure about it now. Not because of my experience with the sound just now, but rather the feel of the pleathers. The one minute I tried them I was already getting a little sweaty. 

 

Just like Mad Lust, it's velour or nothing for me. Maybe someone cold try that mod with the velours?

post #5499 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

I decided to give the pleathers a try today having never listened to them. When I bought the headphones I swapped out the pleathers for the velours straight away. Anyway I've become a master in changing the pads, 1 minute flat and I can change them both out.

 

As for the sound, never ever pleather again. The sound difference is so noticeable for me, and not in a good way. Something about vocals sounds so off and distant, I couldn't stand 1 minute honestly so I put the velours on immediately.

 

About the modding of the pleather, Im not so sure about it now. Not because of my experience with the sound just now, but rather the feel of the pleathers. The one minute I tried them I was already getting a little sweaty. 

 

Just like Mad Lust, it's velour or nothing for me. Maybe someone cold try that mod with the velours?

 

I had the exact same experience when I first received the HE-500 :D The voices were distant and muffled. Velours brought everything back in place at the expense of comfort (in my case) and look.

I don't understand why they changed the soft velour material which was SO comfy...

post #5500 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

I decided to give the pleathers a try today having never listened to them. When I bought the headphones I swapped out the pleathers for the velours straight away. Anyway I've become a master in changing the pads, 1 minute flat and I can change them both out.

As for the sound, never ever pleather again. The sound difference is so noticeable for me, and not in a good way. Something about vocals sounds so off and distant, I couldn't stand 1 minute honestly so I put the velours on immediately.

About the modding of the pleather, Im not so sure about it now. Not because of my experience with the sound just now, but rather the feel of the pleathers. The one minute I tried them I was already getting a little sweaty. 

Just like Mad Lust, it's velour or nothing for me. Maybe someone cold try that mod with the velours?

Did you try the stock pleather a with or without the spacers?

Removing the spacers improves their sound but I guess if your ears get sweaty it won't matter in the long run of things.
Edited by merkil - 1/18/13 at 5:28am
post #5501 of 18328
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Originally Posted by merkil View Post

Did you try the stock pleather a with or without the spacers?

Removing the spacers improves their sound but I guess if your ears get sweaty it won't matter in the long run of things.

 

Actually I haven't tried that. I don't even know how to.

post #5502 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Actually I haven't tried that. I don't even know how to.

It's very easy. Take the stock pleather and look inside. You will see a foam ring. Just pull it out. You can always put it back in after, you won't rip or wreck the pad.
post #5503 of 18328
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Originally Posted by merkil View Post


It's very easy. Take the stock pleather and look inside. You will see a foam ring. Just pull it out. You can always put it back in after, you won't rip or wreck the pad.

 

Hmm interesting. What kind of sonic changes should I expect to hear?

post #5504 of 18328
I wonder what stock pleathers without any jerg hole mods would sound like with just a very transparent filter. Maybe just changing the filter from the stock thicker one to a very transparent nylon might change the sound for the good. I might try this

Edit: I just realized that I would have to permanently remove the stock pleather filters (momentary brain fart while writing this post) and I don't have a second set of pleathers. So I guess I won't be doing this right now, maybe in the future if I want to get a second set to play around with. If you have 2 sets of pleathers this might be worth a try though.
Edited by merkil - 1/18/13 at 6:07am
post #5505 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Hmm interesting. What kind of sonic changes should I expect to hear?

I think it becomes closer to the velours but with the pleather bass. I suck at remembering sound sigs though. You can change the pads quickly, so try it and compare and of coarse report back! Lol
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