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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

If you guys are thinking that the bass lacks punch, that's probably due to the lack of a mid-bass hump that pretty much every dynamic headphone has to some extent.

 

Get a parametric EQ and make a hump centered around 100Hz if you want a more punchy bass.

 

 

I gave that a try along with the E11 and its starting to sound a bit closer to what I enjoy however I currently am using E11 EQ boost + the parametric. For some reason, I cannot get the parametric to sound as good as the hardware boost function. I wish I could copy its settings + add a smudge more. 

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Most here feel very differently about the bass quality of the he400...texture and impact. For open ortho can, this is the best bass that I've heard outside of the lcd2.2. That's pretty elite company IMO. Of course anyone's opinion on a hp's bass will be relative to their own experience of other hp's they've owned and what their ambition for the sound signature is. The bass that has great slam and texture for me, may sound bass light to you. Partly because of your experience with other equipment, your hearing and many other factors. 

 

While the he400 might qualify as a "bass can," I'd never put that moniker on it. This is a serious headphone that happens to be one of the best at accurate bass reproduction to the point of being somewhat "fun." But no, it is not a basshead can. Not in my estimation.  It will not please most of the EDM crowd, at club levels on an e17. 

 

If this is the best bass an open headphone will give me then (I wont ever afford the LCD2) I will just have to settle for it. Do not get me wrong, at quiet to medium listening levels, I do like the texture and impact...and to be honest its growing on me the more I listen to it. There are so many qualities to the HE400 that I absolutely love thus far however I wish it just had more umph to the bass. The part I bolded is what I can best describe the bass as, its accurate and 'somewhat fun'. I just wish I didn't get that "bzzz" noise when I turned it up past a certain point.

 

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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Im unsure whenever ill be correct here, but can you check your EQ in the system you are using to run the music?(Laptop for example).

Ive personally had this problem if i used X-bass or Bass Boost settings on my cowon i9, even if i used 0 bass gain on the Fiio E17.

 

However, after setting it to "Feel the Wind" or "Crystal Clear", the bass did not distor at bass +4 gain 12 volume 60 (again, from cowon i9).

 

From laptop, i have th EQ set to flat, and at Fiio E17 +2 to bass, and again 0 distortion on bass. For me, a good bass is a "short, impactfull bass that vanishes almost instantly after the sound begins"

 

My cousin on the other hand likes the type og bass that is "Vibrating and fades away". This is the sort of bass i belive is "distored" and is when i use software eq to increse bass.

 

Not sure if this is waht you mean, but i hope it helps a bit.

 

Right now I am using my PC(onboard sound) to winamp(maiko wasapi) to an E11 (Gain high, EQ setting on 2, I think thats +6db?). The PC has all effects/eq off, winamp has all effects/EQ off. Windows volume is set to 80% and winamp volume doesn't allow any control due to the plugin. If I turn windows up to 100% then I more quickly get the "bzz bzz" type of bass so I find turning it down in windows a slight bit and turning the amp up a bit gives me more volume and bass before the 'bzz' type distortion. 

 

For comparison, I borrowed my friends ultrasone 900's and am listening to the same song with the same eq/gain settings. The ultrasone has deep, powerful, rumbling bass, the HE-400s is honestly just buzzing. It no longer sounds like a subwoofer but a tinny bzz bzzz bzzz sound. I realize these(ultrasone) things are considered bass monsters but they have more of that type of bass I am looking for. I can feel my ear move, I can feel my ear shake/vibrate when the song calls for it. The problem is I don't like how the highs and mids sound on these. The sheer clarity that the HE400's have over them is amazing, however, I just cant seem to turn these up to good levels without a good amount of distortion. 


Edited by BrokeStudent - 1/16/13 at 8:04am
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I posted a response to your comment in the Schiit Magni thread, but I'll post it here as well for the sake of convenience.

 

post #872

 

 

 

 

Also, keep in mind that in the world of hi-fi, having the 'best' bass usually means having a close to neutral bass, not a colored bass.  When people say the HE-400 is very impactful, they usually mean that it's relatively powerful and impactful compared to other close to other relatively neutral bass cans.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I posted a response to your comment in the Schiit Magni thread, but I'll post it here as well for the sake of convenience.

 

post #872

 

 

 

 

Also, keep in mind that in the world of hi-fi, having the 'best' bass usually means having a close to neutral bass, not a colored bass.  When people say the HE-400 is very impactful, they usually mean that it's relatively powerful and impactful compared to other close to other relatively neutral bass cans.

 

That post was extremely helpful in clarifying pretty much everything. First of all, thank you. Now I finally "get it". Second, I apologize for all the comments/questions, I'm still trying to learn all this fantastic stuff! 

 

I'm going to fool with the EQ a bit. I am using Electric-q for winamp so its a parametric EQ and apparently does a good job. Anyway, I don't expect to get the to the Pro 900's levels, especially after reading your comment there. Basically, it will distort due to me having to throw too much EQ at the bass levels and my amp just can't handle it. I probably won't attain those levels, since I won't get an amp that strong, however I know where I can sort of aim for and just compromise.

 

Even though I like bass like that, the mids/treble of the HE400 have really gotten me hooked. I hate to admit it, but I'm even beginning to like the sound of the HE400's with 6-8db in the bass regions. I guess I'm just learning to enjoy the other aspects of music.

 

Again, thank you, you made it beyond crystal clear.

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Glad I could help you out.  

post #5300 of 17746
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Originally Posted by BrokeStudent View Post

 

 

If this is the best bass an open headphone will give me then (I wont ever afford the LCD2) I will just have to settle for it. Do not get me wrong, at quiet to medium listening levels, I do like the texture and impact...and to be honest its growing on me the more I listen to it. There are so many qualities to the HE400 that I absolutely love thus far however I wish it just had more umph to the bass. The part I bolded is what I can best describe the bass as, its accurate and 'somewhat fun'. I just wish I didn't get that "bzzz" noise when I turned it up past a certain point.

 

 

Right now I am using my PC(onboard sound) to winamp(maiko wasapi) to an E11 (Gain high, EQ setting on 2, I think thats +6db?). The PC has all effects/eq off, winamp has all effects/EQ off. Windows volume is set to 80% and winamp volume doesn't allow any control due to the plugin. If I turn windows up to 100% then I more quickly get the "bzz bzz" type of bass so I find turning it down in windows a slight bit and turning the amp up a bit gives me more volume and bass before the 'bzz' type distortion. 

 

For comparison, I borrowed my friends ultrasone 900's and am listening to the same song with the same eq/gain settings. The ultrasone has deep, powerful, rumbling bass, the HE-400s is honestly just buzzing. It no longer sounds like a subwoofer but a tinny bzz bzzz bzzz sound. I realize these(ultrasone) things are considered bass monsters but they have more of that type of bass I am looking for. I can feel my ear move, I can feel my ear shake/vibrate when the song calls for it. The problem is I don't like how the highs and mids sound on these. The sheer clarity that the HE400's have over them is amazing, however, I just cant seem to turn these up to good levels without a good amount of distortion. 

 

 

DO you have a diffrent program you can try? I know i had a lot of problems with WInamp myself.

I use JetAudio (came with the cowon). Not sure if you can get it free thou. Try a few diffrent programs if you can (VLC, windows player, online radio) to figure out if the source "could" be the problem.

Diffrent cans will respond diffrently for calls from the sound card probably. As far as i know, the E11 is a better amp whan the E17, but i cant be 100% positive on this since i dont own the E11.

Do you have any chance to test your HE-400 with that song on a better amp?

Also, what is you onboard sound chip? Is there a chance (rather small but hey!) that your onboard chip handles the Bass on the ortos wrongly ?

I mean, its hard to think that you get this form of distortion and i dont (since i hate any distortion, no matter how small), from the cans themselves.

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Also check any and all "sound enhancements" that may be running - including DSP or Surround Effects. Turn them all off, for starters, and re-listen carefully. Still have a problem?

 

In my "automotive" environment, my pre-outs suck and basically clip before max volume. Adding any "enhancements" or fiddling with the EQ ensures distortion even sooner. Would love to trade in my amp for its big brother (100wX4) to re-gain some lost headroom. Then again I am broke.

 

Also, I can't manage more than about 2 dB of "boost" at any EQ freq without distortion. If you are jacking up your bass by 6-8 dB you should be cutting your level by about the same amount. An alternative approach is to cut the frequencies that you don't want to hear. For the HE-400s, I roll off a few treble frequencies and it makes the bass a little more prominent.

 

Otherwise, it sounds to me like you may need an amp.


Edited by MrMateoHead - 1/16/13 at 9:08am
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I use Winamp, never had a problem.  I don't know how audio players (with the effects turned off) could present any difference, but I'm also not here to argue that.  haha. 

 

Have we discussed what kind of music was distorted, how it was ripped, etc?  That would help alot

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Originally Posted by RMac View Post

I use Winamp, never had a problem.  I don't know how audio players (with the effects turned off) could present any difference, but I'm also not here to argue that.  haha. 

 

Have we discussed what kind of music was distorted, how it was ripped, etc?  That would help alot

 

Try Jriver Media Center to convice yourself there actually are (or not) differences ;)

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My HE-400's have just arrived.

 

I'm hearing Hotel California from Eagles right now as we speak and i'm having to hold my jaw with both hands. Simply AMAZING.

 

I already though they were pretty good even with the pleather pads on and no grill mod, but after i've put the velour pads and did the grill mod... wow. I couldn't believe how much it improved.

 

 

Now i can't wait till my E17+E09 arrives.

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Just put some Coltrane to play and i see David Solomon was right when he said it can do jazz well on his review. I'm speechless.

 

I'll try now some gaming with these beauties.


Edited by Okamoto - 1/16/13 at 9:41am
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Okay I think i've solved it. Earlier up I posted some custom earpad mod of mine with HM5.. it seems as though they were the cause of the lack of bass.. I put the pleathers back on +6 bass on e17 and most my songs are packed with meaty bass, quite satisfied actually.. the definition of the bass amazes me. my optimal settings are 6 gain, 60 volume, 80% in music player via usb.. once my e09k's come in i think these definitely are capable of being basshead cans with pleathers and some power, bassheads have to remember to focus on the sound, not if the bass/headphone is vibrating/tickling your ears, as that sometimes tricks people into thinking the bass is better than it really is (a psychology thing), when in fact all you're hearing is a hum of air with no definition... I knew something was fishy when planars can't produce enough bass, e17 is a good match for it but for EDM people looking for that next level of oomph, get an actual amp

 

its clear the velours are more bright than the pleathers, but how does the pleather bass compare to j$ beyer pads, anyone?


Edited by Jabse - 1/16/13 at 9:53am
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Thread Starter 

Jazz is supreme on the he400. I spend a good bit of my listening time with newer jazz on this headphone. Really good stuff...

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Jazz is supreme on the he400. I spend a good bit of my listening time with newer jazz on this headphone. Really good stuff...

Yeah, especially that jazz bass. So amazing.

 

I really need to expand my jazz collection. I don't have much other than some crazy fusion stuff and then a lot of jazzy electronica like Amon Tobin and Bonobo.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Jazz is supreme on the he400. I spend a good bit of my listening time with newer jazz on this headphone. Really good stuff...

 

Indeed.

 

I'm rediscovering some of my favorite albums. Davis' Kind of blue sounds outstanding on them.

post #5310 of 17746
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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

Yeah, especially that jazz bass. So amazing.

 

I really need to expand my jazz collection. I don't have much other than some crazy fusion stuff and then a lot of jazzy electronica like Amon Tobin and Bonobo.

 

Not only the bass. The brass and especially the drums and percussion instruments also stand out.

 

Ride cymbals are so much better than in my HD558. Can't believe how awesome they sound.

 

Snare accents also make me wow.


Edited by Okamoto - 1/16/13 at 10:44am
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