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post #4516 of 18123
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Originally Posted by RMac View Post

Hey there, another happy HE-400 owner, just got them today.

 

Out of the box, I was disappointed.  I was like wut, where's the hype.  Why does everything sound so MUDDY?  

Then I realized I was listening to indie rock with the Fiio E17's bass boost turned up 6 steps.  Whoops.

(Question to those using the HE-400/Fiio E17, what gain setting are you using?)

 

Turned off the bass boost, restarted the song.  Things are sounding pretty good.  In fact, with Grizzly Bear - Two Weeks (my go-to first listen for any new headphone) I definitely was hearing astonishing clarity in Ed Droste's voice like I never heard before.

 

I tried the velours.  Didn't like them comfort wise, and didn't hear a difference in the sound.  Oh well, with less than an hour on them I didn't think I would be able to anyway.  Put the comfies back on and I'm chillin.

 

Two hours later, I'm starting to get acclimated to these.  Jigsaws are falling into place, to use a Radiohead reference.  In fact, I put on "Paranoid Android" and I was pleased with how smooth the sound was.  Loving the midrange that virtually everyone has raved about.  

 

Dream Theater - Stream of Consciousness floored me.  (that is a spotify link)   I'm not much of a metal fan or a Dream Theater fan, but that song and the HE-400's got along so nicely, that after 11 minutes went by, it felt closer to 4 or 5 minutes instead.

  

Definitely satisfied with the $400 I paid for these.  And I'm sure they will open up even more the more I listen to them. 

I have been using them for a bit over a month and i plan to get a better amp/Dac. The Fiio E17 is powerfull enought for those, but wont give you all the detail they can bring.

 

Let me Put it this way:

When i first listened to them from my Cowon i9 + Fiio E17 in the store before buying them, i had mixed feelings (with 0 treble, 0 bass). Then i plugged them into the shops "high end" equipment (a 2k dollar cd player amped by an nuforce amp, i think it was the Icon HDP), and listened to Tubular bells and knew in about 30 seconds that they were worth it.

 

Since i did not have the cash and still dont have for that much of an expense, i use the hifiman primarly with gaming on my Laptop fueled by the Fiio E17 from USB, and i can honestly say its better than from the cowon (hell, even youtube sounds better than my FLAC on the cowon+Fiio E17), but worse than my expirience in the shop ( i will be going back there as soon as i stop beeing sick to confirm it, and get myself a better amp, either the E9, or more probably the schitt Valhala).

 

These headphones scale definitly well, just dont know "how" well as i have nothing to compare them to. Also when i contacted Hifiman directly about this, they told me that Orthodynamics "should" get at least 2 Wats per channel to work to their full potential (i was specificly asking about the HE-500, but also mentioned the HE-400).

My personal guess is that they dont want say it straight, but even the HE-400 with their good efficiency require a good amount of power to wor well.

After all, those damn drivers are bigger than the driver from my logitech Z-320 speakers...

 

So after all, ill probably gradually move up from the equipment i got now to some better amps, better headphones, etc.

post #4517 of 18123
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Originally Posted by ozarkcdn View Post

Wow... what kind of environment are you living in... biggrin.gif  little green gremlins running up your cables??!!  Get some weights, lift them, and man up bucko - and...

 

 

I am not sure that the Threadlocker product is conductive for electrical / sound purposes.  I'd be careful in using it because one could be causing a major issue in using it.

 

While performing a search, I found this information from the Lock-Tite site:

 

 

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Q9: Do you sell an electrically conductive threadlocker?

A. Loctite® does not sell any electrically conductive threadlockers. There are a handful of silver-filled electrically conductive epoxies, but these were formulated to replace solder connections on a printed circuit board. These products are so highly filled/dense that they probably wouldn't fit between threads.

 

I'm not implying that such a product doesn't exist.  It just might take a bit of looking to get the correct product for the application.

post #4518 of 18123

I wouldn't ever use a product like that in my headphones anyway.

post #4519 of 18123
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Wake up, pull the HE-400 down from the stand, stretch, flip on the tube amp, make coffee, brush teeth, turn on the DAC, toast biscuit, connect cables, get dressed, listen to music.

Mie is a bit diffrent (on saturday that is):

Wake up, take a shower, brush theeth, make a soup and some beef with potatos (yes, for breakfast), turn on laptop, connect laptop to 40 inch tv, connect fiio E17 and Hifiman He-400, Turn on one of my favorite games, .... wake up from the trance by 18.00 ... get food, go back to the trance mode :D.

post #4520 of 18123
I'm putting out over 10watts to the HE400, and I feel its just slightly better than stuff like the Magni, E9K, E17. Yes, it's better, but they do not scale that much.

This was with a lot of level matching by ear and some android spl meters and non-expectation bias. The HE400 is pretty efficient, and just does not need a lot. People wanna justify the price for the miniscule gain, but all I saw was the HE400 sounding relatively the same with the addition of the amp signature differences.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/9/13 at 2:30am
post #4521 of 18123
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'm putting out over 10watts to the HE400, and I feel its just slightly better than stuff like the Magni, E9K, E17. Yes, it's better, but they do not scale that much.
This was with a lot of level matching by ear and some android spl meters and non-expectation bias. The HE400 is pretty efficient, and just does not need a lot. People wanna justify the price for the miniscule gain, but all I saw was the HE400 sounding relatively the same with the addition of the amp signature differences.

In that case i might need to check my cowon settings in the EQ. Perhaps thats the issue. Or is the E17 Dac much better than the Cowon i9 DAC?

post #4522 of 18123

Well, after a long time trying to decide which dac/amp to get, i went with the E17+E09 combo.

 

 

I hope they match the HE-400's well.

post #4523 of 18123
The E17 does well enough alone, and the E9K also sounds great. In reference to the HE400s, of course.
post #4524 of 18123
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

Well, after a long time trying to decide which dac/amp to get, i went with the E17+E09 combo.

 

 

I hope they match the HE-400's well.

 

It's quite hard to find a bad match for the HE-400, it does well off anything really.

post #4525 of 18123
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The E17 does well enough alone, and the E9K also sounds great. In reference to the HE400s, of course.

 

Yeah, i know the E17 is enough to drive the HE-400. But i took the E09k nevertheless, just in case i want to make an upgrade in the future, which will be most unlikely for a while, but anyways...

post #4526 of 18123
I used the E9K for a little while with the ODAC and compared to my SA-31 which is much more amp in power and price. The E9K sounds quite good even next to it.
post #4527 of 18123

Actually i was thinking about getting another amp, but the convenience of the E17 dock in made me go for it.

 

Glad to know it is really good.

post #4528 of 18123

By the way, i have a question regarding the E17.

 

If i connect the USB and optical input to my PC simultaneously, does it charge while using the optical?

 

 

And while docked in E09k, the e09k will feed it, right?

post #4529 of 18123
The E17 charges as long as it has the USB charge option turned on. Can't remember if the E9K's USB cable has to be plugged in to charge the E17 (even if you're only using the optical input on the E17.

I wish Fiio would have found a way not to have the Optical cable protruding from the E17 while docked.
post #4530 of 18123
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Mie is a bit diffrent (on saturday that is):

Wake up, take a shower, brush theeth, make a soup and some beef with potatos (yes, for breakfast), turn on laptop, connect laptop to 40 inch tv, connect fiio E17 and Hifiman He-400, Turn on one of my favorite games, .... wake up from the trance by 18.00 ... get food, go back to the trance mode :D.

 

I get up just before 7 each day, get my daughter off to school, have a big bowl of Raisin Bran Crunch (go fiber!!), then I'm on the computer for about an hour usually listening to classical or easy jazz in the morning and of course checking head-fi. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'm putting out over 10watts to the HE400, and I feel its just slightly better than stuff like the Magni, E9K, E17. Yes, it's better, but they do not scale that much.
This was with a lot of level matching by ear and some android spl meters and non-expectation bias. The HE400 is pretty efficient, and just does not need a lot. People wanna justify the price for the miniscule gain, but all I saw was the HE400 sounding relatively the same with the addition of the amp signature differences.

 

The beauty of the he400 is that it does amp so easily. I wouldn't want to mislead others by saying that it scales well. It does scale, but very modestly. +1 for mad lust

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