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50 times better? No way. 15-20%. IMO
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Originally Posted by Sniping View Post

Will the Lyr sound 50 times better with HE-400s than the Asgard? No.

 

Maybe consider Magni and Modi and if you aren't satisfied then move up from there.

Just adding a bit to this - I think many people have way too high expectations on how much amplifiers (and DAC's) improve sound. I've personally tried computer on-board sound, some cheap computer sound cards, a couple of semi-cheap DAC's and headphone amp combos, up to stuff like the Dacmagic Plus I'm using myslef right now. Do I hear differences between the gear? Yes I do, but really, even when comparing computer on-board sound to the DM Plus where there's basically a 600$ difference I'd be hard pressed to say that the increase in sound quality is over two times (if you really have to get a number). This might be a touchy subject but I think many times people exaggerate the improvement to justify the money spent wink_face.gif

 

This obviously depends on how hard to drive the headphones are etc, but in general - people should worry more about the headphones and less about the source, especially with not so picky headphones like the HE-400. While I haven't tried the M&M stack I'd be suprised if they didn't provide you with about 95% of the sound these headphones have to offer.

post #4098 of 17712

Just got my new cable after the original one broke :)

 

So much better. And lighter ^_^

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I'll bite...what did you get?

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Originally Posted by spittis View Post

Just adding a bit to this - I think many people have way too high expectations on how much amplifiers (and DAC's) improve sound. I've personally tried computer on-board sound, some cheap computer sound cards, a couple of semi-cheap DAC's and headphone amp combos, up to stuff like the Dacmagic Plus I'm using myslef right now. Do I hear differences between the gear? Yes I do, but really, even when comparing computer on-board sound to the DM Plus where there's basically a 600$ difference I'd be hard pressed to say that the increase in sound quality is over two times (if you really have to get a number). This might be a touchy subject but I think many times people exaggerate the improvement to justify the money spent wink_face.gif

 

This obviously depends on how hard to drive the headphones are etc, but in general - people should worry more about the headphones and less about the source, especially with not so picky headphones like the HE-400. While I haven't tried the M&M stack I'd be suprised if they didn't provide you with about 95% of the sound these headphones have to offer.

Word.

 

I don't plan on "upgrading" past the Asgard myself. It already does exactly what I want it to: amplify the sound in a completely transparant manner.

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For those interested in what I feel of the K702 Annies (first impressions)

Just got the K702 Anniversary.

Holy balls.

These are gorgeous. Prior to these, I owned the white K701 and white Q701, The finish on those was almost like a toilet white. Porcelain. The Annies though? The finish is matte, and looks AMAZING. I mean, I thought I was used to how the K/Q's looked, then I saw these... I'm blown away just looking at them.

Then I put them on my head, no sound... just... OMFG. I always raved about the Steelseries Siberia and their self adjustment. Those were nearly perfect. I wish the cups were bigger on those (they were small and not deep.)

The K701 and Q701 had similar self adjustment, but for whatever reason, they were always fully extended and hella tight on my head. Then there was the bumps on the headband that were torturous. Pure torture until you wore them long enough to not mind them, but they never truly disappear.

Here comes the K702 Annies. Not only did they do away with the bumps, but the headband no longer pulls down on my head. I wonder if it's because the bumps are gone, leaving more space for just enough extension to not make them so tight. The cups clamp so lightly, I almost thought these were Audio-Technicas for a moment. They clamp just tight enough to feel secure, but it's light.

Speaking of light I mean, these babies are LIGHT. I mean, wearing the HE400 next to them is...well, they surely feel like bricks on the head next to the Annies.

HOLY COW. These ARE the most comfortable full-sized headphones I have owned, bar none. It is indeed perfection.

Comfort...10/10

These are IT.

On to the most important part...sound.

Before I start, let me state that I do NOT suffer from new toy syndrome. If I'm not impressed, I will be the first to say it. I will be quick to mention the pros and cons in a headphone's sound.

So what did I hear when I first turned on the music?



Warmth. Clarity. Openness. Refinement.

This is surely a refined Q701. Not only does it sound fuller than I remember of the Q701, but the bass. Dear god... the bass. What. The. CRAP? These have FANTASTIC bass. I will tell you right now, this is the most balanced headphone I have heard that ALSO has a satisfying amount of bass. The DT880 is also incredibly balanced with bass, but they have that treble peak. These DO NOT.

I am absolutely MINDBLOWN by the Annies. I paid $429 for these... and I will tell you all right now, that yes, it's worth it over the Q701, and I would seriously choose these over the HE-400 if I could only own one. The HE-400 is amazing, simply amazing, but the K702 Annies has this balance between fun and straight business without any glaring faults that make them so damn enticing.

This is one of those times that I can't find anything bad to say about the sound.

They really DO sound like a mix between the Q701 and HD650. It is a perfect blend. Just.... lovely.

Stay tuned.


My faves have changed...in order.

D7000
K702 Annies
HE-400
HD650
HE-4
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/3/13 at 11:52am
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^^ One happy camper!

 

Good on you:)

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How do they compare with the K701 in term of harshness?

Did you ever feel the K701 were harsh sounding headphones?

 

I cannot bear the K601 anymore because of that. Funny thing is I kept the 601s over the 701s because they sounded more fun and less harsh. I don't even imagine what I would think of the K701 now...

 

Comparing them with the HE-4 would be a nice indication for me as well :)

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I always thought the K701 was harsh, with that horrible upper mid peak. That's why I absolutely hated them for music, and only loved them for competitive gaming. The Q701 fared much better, with a warmer, fuller sound, but still slightly lacking in bass. The Annies though... nothing is missing. It's all there.

It's night and day vs my old K701. Even with my harshest tracks, I can play the Annies loud with nary a complaint. AKG made a contract with the devil when they released these. This is basically my Audio Nirvana. The K/Q owners should do themselves a favor, put up the headphones for sale and snatch these up before they are gone. Mine is 0935.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/3/13 at 12:20pm
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Lol, these are 549€ on Thomann.... I pass :D

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Got them for $429 on Amazon here. I would choose them over the HE-400 which is $30 cheaper. Not kidding. They are both so good...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/3/13 at 12:24pm
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how is K702 Annies mids for female voice?
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My fave song of all time, and the Annies reproduces her voice SO beautifully.
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High praise MLE, you really know how to make someone jealous tongue.gif I kind of want one haha

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They are impressive. The only headphones that have made my jaw drop this hard was the D7000, HE-400, and HD650 (with it's mids). I always find problems with headphones. Like the HE-400 having a bit too much treble, or the HD650 being a little slow for certain genres, that keeps them from being as amazing as they could've been. The Annies... just... I honestly can't find anything.
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