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My babies sleeping... (400s, 500s, 4s)

 

Had a 3 hours session with the new HE-4 (on the right) on Friday night + a short shoot-out between the 3 during the weekend.

 

So far, with the Metrum Quad and the SA-31, my favourite is... the HE-4! Who would have expected that? Not me!

 

In a technical standpoint, they clearly fall short to the other 2.

- The instrument separation is inferior (they all have the new velours).

- Detail retrieval is hard to tell since the 4s have a treble emphasis (more so than the 400s on this setup) and a much more airy presentation that is hard to compare.

On complex passages, the 4s cannot compete with the 400s and 500s. Yet, they're still very good and much better than any dynamic headphones I owned/heard (which includes the K-701).

 

What I really (I mean REALLY) like about the 4s is their clean presentation and their V-shaped signature (probably more U-shaped) which makes them extremely fun to listen with fast paced music (e.g. Hard rock and Metal).

The bass emphasis starts below 50hz and stops quickly, hence the "U-shaped" response. By comparison, the 400s have a V-shaped response that emphasis the upper bass / lower mids region too.

As a result, the 4s have tighter bass when compared to the 400s, yet not as prominent (which has a good effect on overall clarity). This plus the treble emphasis make them extremely well suited for drums.

 

I never enjoyed AC/DC that much with the HE-500 because the mid emphasis is not suited to this particular music (it exhibits all the recording flaws). The 4s on the other hand, are simply excellent. The 400s are definitely closer to the 500s, being fuller sounding than the 4s.

 

I never expected I would like them more than my favourite of all time (the 500s) but I noticed some strange things that might be a result of my mood of the day or simply my ears not fully opened (I have a cold): the 500s sounded muffled. I always found the treble quantity more than adequate (rather would I say: ideal), on my setup. I don't know if listening to the 4s before the 500s biased my preferences but they clearly lacked treble.

 

I remember when I last tried my old 4s on the very same setup (difference RCA cables but I'm no cable believer...) I didn't quite like their treble quantity anymore... It seems like my ear changed in the meantime (overnight). 

 

Anyway, I'm happy with the 4s and if my cold is responsible for that change in treble perception, then I'm glad I have 2 pairs for the next time I have a cold :p

 

I forgot the bottom line: mix the 4s sound signature with the 400s technicalities and you get the best headphones for Metal / Hard-rock :p (No, I never heard grados, but they never heard orthos, so... :p) 

 

While I agree with most of your impressions and I do understand this is your opinion.  I guess I just have a sort of different one.  So to speak. 

 

 

"In a technical standpoint, they clearly fall short to the other 2."

I would say this is the total opposite.  IMO The 4s are a more technical better headphone then the 400s and (500s ??)

 

Yes the 400s and 50ss are a fuller sounding headphone and yes the 4s has more air.  But the 4's does not not have the treble spikes the 400s has but has more of a treble energy.  Because of the bright airy sound.

 

The 500s don't lack treble.  It's just compared to the 4s as you said they don't have the same treble energy.  This is a result of the 4s being airy and the 500s being on the warm side.  IMO

 

"On complex passages, the 4s cannot compete with the 400s and 500s."

uumm.  I find the 4s one of the fastest headphones out and can keep up with just about any genre.  They just eat complex passages alive.  IMO..

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BTW, what's with the uber-high resale prices on the HE-400 in the F/S forum?  I'm posting here, because I don't want to thread crap in a person's thread about their pricing.  However, $375 - $380 for a used pair is really nuts. I do realize shipping is included in those prices, but still ... The warranty doesn't transfer to a 2nd owner, so if the 2nd owner has troubles, then they will be out $75.00 - $85.00 to HifiMAN in order to get the headphones replaced.  I say just spend the $20.00 extra and get a new pair and have the confidence of a warranty behind you for a year.  Or, check out the returned HE-400s from headphone.com where they sell for about $339.00 and you still get the warranty.

 

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i'm not selling my HE-400s.  Never.  However, if I were to ever sell them, I would say that $350.00 would be a more realistic price, with both types of pads included, as well as shipping costs.

 

OK, that's the last beef I'll have in 2012.  That is, unless something gets under my crawl tomorrow, which is December 31st, 2012.  tongue_smile.gif

Almost got a pair for that price, but the seller turned me down after i asked him to take up the fees lol.
 

But i'm glad he did it. Got them new on HeadAmp for just a few more bucks after seeing a post from Justin here on this thread.

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While I agree with most of your impressions and I do understand this is your opinion.  I guess I just have a sort of different one.  So to speak. 


I would say this is the total opposite.  IMO The 4s are a more technical better headphone then the 400s and (500s ??)

Yes the 400s and 50ss are a fuller sounding headphone and yes the 4s has more air.  But the 4's does not not have the treble spikes the 400s has but has more of a treble energy.  Because of the bright airy sound.

The 500s don't lack treble.  It's just compared to the 4s as you said they don't have the same treble energy.  This is a result of the 4s being airy and the 500s being on the warm side.  IMO

"On complex passages, the 4s cannot compete with the 400s and 500s."
uumm.  I find the 4s one of the fastest headphones out and can keep up with just about any genre.  They just eat complex passages alive.  IMO..

I agree with you, very much so. I find the HE-4 clearly superior to the HE-400 in terms of technical superiority. The HE-400 is more musical and directly engaging, but it doesn't hold a candle to the speed and technical prowess of the HE-4.

They just seriously need an incredibly powerful amp to make bring them up to spec. I first tried them with the Lyr, and recently with the SA-31. They ate the E9 alive (just to see how it sounded).
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/31/12 at 7:26am
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Anyone know the curb weight on the he4?

 

if its not published i'll put them on the scale and let you know. 

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They just seriously need an incredibly powerful amp to make bring them up to spec.

 

Balanced βeta-22 - Problem solved..biggrin.gif

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That works. biggrin.gif

What are the specs on the Beta22? I wanna see how it compares to the SA-31 at varying impedences. Curious. biggrin.gif
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That works. biggrin.gif
What are the specs on the Beta22? I wanna see how it compares to the SA-31 at varying impedences. Curious. biggrin.gif

 

 

http://www.amb.org/audio/beta22/

 

Mine is balanced so it's double everything.   

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

My babies sleeping... (400s, 500s, 4s)

 

 

Um, yeah ... they're pretty nice.  biggrin.gif  wink.gif

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Originally Posted by justin w. View Post

I have a big hifiman delivery today...and it happens to include a couple HE-4s i ordered on the chance these will be making a comeback blink.gif

You just make sure you have a set of HE-400 + velour ready for me to order on Friday when I get paid. :] It's now your number one priority, of course!

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While I agree with most of your impressions and I do understand this is your opinion.  I guess I just have a sort of different one.  So to speak. 

 

 

"In a technical standpoint, they clearly fall short to the other 2."

I would say this is the total opposite.  IMO The 4s are a more technical better headphone then the 400s and (500s ??)

 

Yes the 400s and 50ss are a fuller sounding headphone and yes the 4s has more air.  But the 4's does not not have the treble spikes the 400s has but has more of a treble energy.  Because of the bright airy sound.

 

The 500s don't lack treble.  It's just compared to the 4s as you said they don't have the same treble energy.  This is a result of the 4s being airy and the 500s being on the warm side.  IMO

 

"On complex passages, the 4s cannot compete with the 400s and 500s."

uumm.  I find the 4s one of the fastest headphones out and can keep up with just about any genre.  They just eat complex passages alive.  IMO..

 

For the "harshness", I didn't write it but also felt the 400s were more prone to it due to their dark signature. I prefere the 4s treble, no doubts.

 

As for technicalities, I stand by my opinion: I did not mean the 4s are slower, they aren't, but when many instruments are involved, it lacks the separation thats make them all distinguishable from each other. The 400s and, even more so, the 500s are more up to this task of delevering detail for every instruments on the scene.

 

There is also a difference in the mids presentation between the x00s and the 4s: I can hear all the reverb, the room's acoustic with the former 2 but not with the 4s. The 4s are less resolving because of this (that's probably because they have thinner mids).

 

As far as sound-stage go, the 4s sounded a bit smaller, maybe (maybe not) but that was not the first thing I noticed so it shouldn't be that different. I, however, noticed the more airy presentation, which is really cool.

 

Again, I don't know if I will still like them that much in the future (when my ears recover, my expectations bias in the x00s dirrection, my mood changes...) but I any cases, if I had to buy a < $500 pair, I would seriously consider these headphones.

They require power, that's for sure and the warm signature of the SA-31 makes for a very good pairing in the $1k range.

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

For the "harshness", I didn't write it but also felt the 400s were more prone to it due to their dark signature. I prefere the 4s treble, no doubts.

 

As for technicalities, I stand by my opinion: I did not mean the 4s are slower, they aren't, but when many instruments are involved, it lacks the separation thats make them all distinguishable from each other. The 400s and, even more so, the 500s are more up to this task of delevering detail for every instruments on the scene.

 

There is also a difference in the mids presentation between the x00s and the 4s: I can hear all the reverb, the room's acoustic with the former 2 but not with the 4s. The 4s are less resolving because of this (that's probably because they have thinner mids).

 

As far as sound-stage go, the 4s sounded a bit smaller, maybe (maybe not) but that was not the first thing I noticed so it shouldn't be that different. I, however, noticed the more airy presentation, which is really cool.

 

Again, I don't know if I will still like them that much in the future (when my ears recover, my expectations bias in the x00s dirrection, my mood changes...) but I any cases, if I had to buy a < $500 pair, I would seriously consider these headphones.

They require power, that's for sure and the warm signature of the SA-31 makes for a very good pairing in the $1k range.

 

 

I'm with you on the sound stage thing.  Just something that's not that important to me anyway.

 

I guess the bolded text is where we have a difference of opinion with the HE-4s.  I guess you can say - we have the opposite opinion in this areabiggrin.gif  However, yes there are a difference in the mids - I got the 4s mids being more crisp, clear, upfront and resolving but not as lush.

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Can someone recommend me a good set-up for my HE-400?  My budget is $800 for amp and dac.  Doesn't have to be tubes, but something that really works well with the HE-400s.  I would go on reading through the thread, but jesus it's 264 pages long.  Can anyone please help me out wink.gif  I'd really appreciate it.
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I have the udac and the headroom micro desktop amp and astrodyne power supply
Great set up , Tyl created the micro amp, all together it's about 600
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Can someone recommend me a good set-up for my HE-400?  My budget is $800 for amp and dac.  Doesn't have to be tubes, but something that really works well with the HE-400s.  I would go on reading through the thread, but jesus it's 264 pages long.  Can anyone please help me out ;)  I'd really appreciate it.

Try Lyr and Bifrost, that would be an ideal setup for me, but my budget is waaay lower, so I'm out of luck.

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One thought that has occurred to me now that I'm close to buying - these are suited for big heads, yes? I have a large head, and something like the V-Moda M-80 barely fit me and was uncomfortable. To contrast, the Sennheiser HD595, Creative Aurvana Live! Audio Technica AD700, Koss ProDJ 200 headphones are all some of the full-size pairs that fit me very well. Will I have any issues here?

 

Also - anybody here primarily listen to folk and bluegrass? I did some searching of the thread, but it was hard to sift through so many people saying "folks" to address ya'll instead of actually talking about the genre. I've already decided on the HE-400 sound signature-wise for multiple other reasons, would just love to know how they sound with those genres. Larry and His Flask, Old Crow Medicine Show, River City Extension - bands like that.

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