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Originally Posted by wje View Post

I was planning on just building a standard SET cable with the SMC connectors at the other end.  However, I do already have an XLR cable with speaker taps that I plan on packing.  If time permits on Friday evening, I might be able to install a 4-pin Neutrik XLR cable as a temporary solution prior to Saturday's meet.

Edit: I kind of like these "triple threat" cables from Double Helix Cables, which would allow one to run virtually any cable with their HifiMAN headphones.

Ok, cool. I'm not sure I 'd like those connectors swinging around my head on the DH cable.
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Originally Posted by justin w. View Post

a 4-pin XLR balanced cable comes with the HE-6, which i will be bringing with me.  

Gracias, much appreciated.
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I wish that I was able to attend meets and try out new stuff. Nothing ever around Atlanta. frown.gif

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I don't think anyone disputes with that. 

 

Well I read many times that the difference between the 400s & 500s was more a matter of sound signature than anything else.

The way I understood this is: the 400s are on par with the 500s in a technical standpoint. This is not what I hear but I must admit it's still very good for $400, tonal balanced aside.

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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post

At the same time, having a 1000$ amp powering a 400$ headphone is unusual?

 

I'm not sure I understand this statement at all.  Or should I say it's not unusual to me at all.  Would it be better the other way around?  

 

I have a few sub $500 headphones I just love on all my +$1000 amps..  

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^^ You have too much gear. I offer to take some to help you declutter your home. biggrin.gif

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More coming in as some go out.  

 

 

1000

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I'm not sure I understand this statement at all.  Or should I say it's not unusual to me at all.  Would it be better the other way around?  

 

I have a few sub $500 headphones I just love on all my +$1000 amps..  

 

I think what he means is that people that are on the early days of their Head-fi journey will try to match the prices of their gears. Those for which the HE-400 is the best (most expensive) headphone they've ever owned, might not already own +$1000 amps to pair it with. 

You definitely don't belong to this category. According to your sig, you seem more advanced in your journey. In the present case, you're more the kind of Head-fier who would try the HE-400 "for fun" just to see how far $400 can get you compared to the +$1000 headphones you already own. In your point of view, you see no reason why you should not use the +$1000 amps you own with it (and you would be wrong not to use them :D). I bought the HE-400 for the very same reason, though I didn't quite reach the same level of prices (my gears are more in the $500-700 range, each).

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I think what he means is that people that are on the early days of their Head-fi journey will try to match the prices of their gears. Those for which the HE-400 is the best (most expensive) headphone they've ever owned, might not already own +$1000 amps to pair it with. 

You definitely don't belong to this category. According to your sig, you seem more advanced in your journey. In the present case, you're more the kind of Head-fier who would try the HE-400 "for fun" just to see how far $400 can get you compared to the +$1000 headphones you already own. In your point of view, you see no reason why you should not use the +$1000 amps you own with it (and you would be wrong not to use them :D). I bought the HE-400 for the very same reason, though I didn't quite reach the same level of prices (my gears are more in the $500-700 range, each).

 

 

WOW  -  how did you get all of that out of that little statement biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

I don't think anyone disputes with that. 

 

 

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HE400: more dynamic-sounding, laid-back, holographic, extremely clean tight bass, shinier treble

 

HE500: more extended, smoother, more neutral with a warm tilt, blacker background and more transparent

 

indeed!

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WOW  -  how did you get all of that out of that little statement biggrin.gif

 

Yeah I broke my own limits on this one :D

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

 

HE400: more dynamic-sounding, laid-back, holographic, extremely clean tight bass, shinier treble

 

HE500: more extended, smoother, more neutral with a warm tilt, blacker background and more transparent

 

I don't know where the difference between "slam" and "dynamic" lies, but the 500s definitely has more of the former with the SA-31.

 

I mostly agree with the rest, except I wouldn't call the 400s "laid-back" due to their shinier treble, actually. Maybe the dark signature?

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I wish that I was able to attend meets and try out new stuff. Nothing ever around Atlanta. frown.gif

 

Have you considered moving?  While I'm probably only about 550 miles from you, it was 27(F) when I cleared the windows on my car.  I'm sure the Atlanta climate might be more my speed.

 

On the other hand, if it came down to me choosing between headphone meets, or having those ultimate headphone stores like they have overseas, I'd take the headphone shop:

 

700

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

So, I spent 1 hour listening to vocals with the HE-400 yesterday.

 

I stand by my first impression: the sound is dull with male vocals (especially lower registers like Leonard Cohen). The recess in the mids (right after the lower-mids region, I suppose) make the overall voice lack clarity.

Fascinating. My impressions (with male vocals in particular) are exactly the opposite of yours. I spent a few hours myself A/B ing the he-400 and he-500 and Lenard Cohen sounds absolutely, unequivocally amazing, and in no way does he or any other male with a commanding voice sound in the least bit dull. It's the same with Nick Cave, Beck, Brenden Parry (Dead Can Dance fame), Lou Reed, Danzig, Tom Waits, and even Andrew Bird and Tom Yorke. All these guys to varying degrees sound fully realized, alive, nuanced and crackling with energy--and that's a wide rage of male voices too. And yes, the he-400, to my ears at least, genuinely outperforms the he-500 with regard to most male vocalist but falls far short with female vocalist almost every time. Now maybe my gear isn't expensive enough to tease out the differences in the low and mid-low frequencies between theses headphones, but I do have 3 amps: the fiio e9, the Little Dot MkIII, and a vintage Kenwood receiver, and none of these amp choices can change the he-400's or he-500's low-end and low midrange reproduction, especially with male vocalist. Also, (I've mentioned this before) the he-400's sound-stage is more holographic and coherent to my ears.  Now, I'm in no way saying the he-400 is better than the he-500 (it certainly is not), but to my ears, the he-400 excels in a few choice areas, while the he-500 does everything right at the expense of excelling in one or two focused areas. Different folks, different ears, I guess, but the disparity between our impressions is rather dramatic. Maybe I have a special he-400 after all. (I still have my rev 3 btw atsmile.gif) Or maybe this is just another headphone mystery. 

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IIRC, one fellow head-fier here owns (or owned) 3 pairs of this headphone, all 3 sounded different...

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

IIRC, one fellow head-fier here owns (or owned) 3 pairs of this headphone, all 3 sounded different...


That's really too bad!  I really hate the headphone lottery that some headphone companies force you to play (Cough--Beyerdynamic--cough), but it looks like HiFiman may have some quality control issues too. Oh well. Nice comparing notes with you though. 


Edited by Madmollusk - 12/14/12 at 8:24am
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