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post #286 of 18084
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

For me, a cable change on the he400 made a significant difference. It definitely changed the sound signature. I happen to like the change. Both my cables (he400&d2k) are just to thick, heavy and inflexible. I bought a cable made by Chris_himself and I'm really appreciating the physical differences. Chris's cables are featherlite and very flexible. Also I made mine shorter for convenience.  Just makes for a more enjoyable experience all around IMO.

 

 

Well, yours was the jump from copper to silver, so, yes, that would make a huge sound signature change.  I'm not sure I want to change the signature quite so severely as Silver.  The Silver was more under consideration for HD650. 

post #287 of 18084
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

Well, yours was the jump from copper to silver, so, yes, that would make a huge sound signature change.  I'm not sure I want to change the signature quite so severely as Silver.  The Silver was more under consideration for HD650. 

 

Well, half of my point is the there are reasons other than improved sound signature to make a cable change. 

post #288 of 18084
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I've been using the velour HFM pads for a few weeks. Thought that I'd go back and try the pleathers now that I've gotten used to the velour sound. Don't like the pleather AT ALL. You would think that the bass would be better...no. You loose soundstage and bass. I'm done with the pleather.

 

If you haven't thought about trying the velours with the he400, for $16 shipped it may be the best money sound of Andrew Jackson that you'll spend this year!!

post #289 of 18084

At first you thought you lost bass with the velour.  What made you change your mind?


Edited by TMRaven - 5/4/12 at 1:02pm
post #290 of 18084
Thread Starter 

Nah, I don't think that I said that. But after listening to both sets several times today, it's no contest. Better bass and across the rest of the spectrum. Sound stage is certainly better. The velour do put the driver a little further away from your ears as they as not as squishy. All in all a very nice little upgrade!!

 

Oh, if you decide to get the velours, order two and save yourself the shipping on the second set!!


Edited by MattTCG - 5/4/12 at 1:50pm
post #291 of 18084

Just got my HE-400s and first thing I noticed is wow! these are solid! they are a good deal heavier than I expected (not that I knew what to expect). 

 

So far they sound great. I would definitely agree that the bass is only present in called for amounts. I was trying out my friend's beats the day before and the he400s bass sounds so much cleaner.  I did swap the velour pads on quite early on, so I didn't get a good comparison between the pleather and velour. Jon Schmidt's "All of Me" on piano sounds amazing on these. I'm still getting used to having such a nice soundstage!

post #292 of 18084
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They are a little heavy, but not nearly as heavy as the he500 or lcd-x. The velour pads are a bigger upgrade to the sound than most realize. It will come around eventually though. And for cheap too. Glad you are enjoying them. Post back after you've had them for awhile and ...welcome to the club!!

post #293 of 18084

I really have to listen to the HE-400 some day to see what everyone is talking about. 

post #294 of 18084
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Send me four bills and you can see for yourself!!

post #295 of 18084

Their bass is clearly heard and vaguely felt even before putting them on your head, so I could see the velour pads not affecting bass much.  Deeper cups are always a plus for me.

post #296 of 18084
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Their bass is clearly heard and vaguely felt even before putting them on your head, so I could see the velour pads not affecting bass much.  Deeper cups are always a plus for me.

 

Yeah it's quite amazing, physically a very different bass compared to dynamic driver headphones.

post #297 of 18084

Makes me really want to have an LCD-2.  Eventually I'll get one whenever they give it an aluminum frame-- if they ever do.

 

In case no one has read it in the other thread, Tyll posted the measurements for the HE-400 on his site, the chart pretty much is what I expected spare some high THD+N at 100db, but I never listen that loud so not really my concern.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400.pdf

post #298 of 18084
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Makes me really want to have an LCD-2.  Eventually I'll get one whenever they give it an aluminum frame-- if they ever do.

 

In case no one has read it in the other thread, Tyll posted the measurements for the HE-400 on his site, the chart pretty much is what I expected spare some high THD+N at 100db, but I never listen that loud so not really my concern.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400.pdf

 

Me too!! Got to resist the temptation...ph34r.gif

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

Wait, I thought that cable was silver...no?


Blue Dragon IS "a high purity copper conductor using the Ohno Continuous Casting Process. It has the same geometry structure as the Silver Dragon Version 3 only it uses UP-OCC pure copper"

Black Dragon IS "a 4 x 21.5AWG Teflon insulated stranded conductors using pure single crystallized UP-OCC pure copper with 7N purity 99.99998%."

Silver Dragon IS "4 x 99.99998% UP-OCC Stranded Silver 24AWG Teflon insulated stranded conductors"

I never heard Black or Silver Dragon but read a review (can't remember where since it all happened more than a year ago) where reviewer  had all three cables and tried them with HD650, HD800 and some other headphones and said at the end that he prefers Blue Dragon for HD650 so when someone posted in for sale forum that he selling barely used (about 30 hours) Blue Dragon cable 30% cheaper than directly from Moon Audio i immediatelly pulled the trigger and never regret it.I'm also thinking about recabling my D7000 but didn't find yet any comparison between stock, Lawton Audio or any other cable.

As i already said in previous post i have NO external AMP so my experience is different but as soon as i connected it i noticed some improvement in bass depth and about after extra 20 hours i noticed that treble distortin i had on some recordings was gone plus overall sound over entire frequency range was smooth and refined so i'm considering to contact Drew and ask if they deal with Denons.

post #300 of 18084

I've got the Black Dragon on my HD650's and really enjoy it. It opened them up a bit across the range but they've ben on for so long that I really don't remember what the stock cable was like.  I did have the HD25's with the Silver Dragon IEM v1 and it was really nice.  Tried the silver on the HD650's and it was awful. Lost all bass impact and sounded very hollow.

For the HE-400, I wanted to go a different route and went with the Q cable.  This cable is so light you don't even know it's there.  I really disliked the feel of the stock HE-400 cable.  Again, it opened the HE-400 up across the range and made the sound fuller.  Just my opinion.  Is it worth the $$, probably not.  If I were to do it again, I'd probably go Toxic for half the price.  All in all, I'm pleased with the cables but its a lot of bucks for a bit of improvement.

I'm liking what I've bee reading about the Lyr in driving both the HD650 & HE400. That will probably be my next purchase.

BTW.. between this thread (thanks for the great review Matt!) and hearing the LCD-2, I decided to sell off my HD25 & Silver Dragon to get the HE400. No looking back, I love the HE400.

Edit: just ordered the velour pads.. looking forwards to trying them.


Edited by MickeyVee - 5/6/12 at 9:10pm
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