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post #2656 of 20490
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Hey, I was just thinking while wearing a pair of maddogs how incredibly comfortable they are despite being almost they exact same weight as the the he400. I think that they are essentially the same weight...maybe the he400 being about 20 grams heavier. Of course the reason for the comfort with the maddog is almost exclusively due to the comfort strap.

 

So then it got me thinking...hmm...wait for it....comfort strap for the he400!! Time to mod. very_evil_smiley.gif

 

Im interested to know if you're working on this Mat.

post #2657 of 20490
@Matt & Beaver

Something like this? http://www.head-fi.org/t/635480/
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I'm very close to ordering the HE400 but I'm afraid I will wish I had sprung for the HE500 instead. Convince me they aren't really $300 better!

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I'm very close to ordering the HE400 but I'm afraid I will wish I had sprung for the HE500 instead. Convince me they aren't really $300 better!

They are $300 better if you prioritize smoothness, transparency and neutrality.

 

They are not $300 better if you priotize dynamics, holographic imaging, and openness.

post #2660 of 20490

That helps. I really enjoy the clarity of sound that separates all the individual instruments so it sounds like that might be the 400?

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That helps. I really enjoy the clarity of sound that separates all the individual instruments so it sounds like that might be the 400?

 

 

 

I would think that would lead you to the 500s?

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That helps. I really enjoy the clarity of sound that separates all the individual instruments so it sounds like that might be the 400?

Both headphones separate about well, but I don't notice HE500s being better in that respect. In fact HE400's open laid-back sound signature actually accentuates its separation so it can sound like it has better separation than HE500.

 

Also HE500s are more transparent but HE400 have a more detail-oriented sound signature with its emphasis in the upper treble, so they might be subjectively perceived as having better clarity (even if HE500s are objectively more detailed).

 

So yes, HE400 will serve you well and save you $300.


Edited by jerg - 11/30/12 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

 

I would think that would lead you to the 500s?

Well then I guess how do we define the difference between transparency and openness??

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@Matt & Beaver
Something like this? http://www.head-fi.org/t/635480/

 

Not exactly like that. It's a strap that doesn't even touch the headband. It gives you the feeling that the headphones are just floating on your head, or so I've read.

post #2665 of 20490

I think of transparency as relating to instrument separation and definition.

 

"Openness" would reflect, to me, the sense that there is a wide and deep soundstage.

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I would think that would lead you to the 500s?

 

Well then I guess how do we define the difference between transparency and openness??

 

I think of transparency as relating to instrument separation and definition.

 

"Openness" would reflect, to me, the sense that there is a wide and deep soundstage.

 

If we go by http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

 

Transparent - Easy to hear into the music, detailed, clear, not muddy. Wide flat frequency response, sharp time response, very low distortion and noise. A hear through quality that is akin to clarity and reveals all aspects of detail.

 

Open - Sound which has height and "air", relates to clean upper midrange and treble.

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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

If we go by http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

 

Transparent - Easy to hear into the music, detailed, clear, not muddy. Wide flat frequency response, sharp time response, very low distortion and noise. A hear through quality that is akin to clarity and reveals all aspects of detail.

 

Open - Sound which has height and "air", relates to clean upper midrange and treble.

"Open" needs a third attribute: it needs good treble extension (mainly 12-18kHz) that is relatively flat. HE400s aren't great but are better than most in that aspect.

 

 

700

It still has peaks and small ringing ridges (around 13kHz) which cause a little tizz, but otherwise it gives the sound signature a lot of air.

 

In comparison, HE500s:

 

 

Notice how it has a pretty big chunk of upper treble missing, that helps give it a very forgiving tonality especially with harsh vocal recordings. However the downside is it contributes to the headphones not sounding as open as something like the HE400.

 

A third comparison would be something like SR007mk2.5, which is reputed to have some of the most airy "materialize-out-of-thin-air" sound possible:

 

 

Notice just how clean, even, and nice the upper treble is extended, and that it is relatively emphasized. The lack of peak/ringing means even with the emphasis it is still not tizzy, and the emphasis relates to how there is huge amounts of air in its presentation.

 

 

Admittedly I have not had a chance to audition high-end STAXs yet, only the Hifiman and Audeze planar lines (all of them), but there is a perfect correspondance with their measurements and my subjective impressions of their treble behavior and "openness", so I thought it'd be fair to extrapolate a bit.


Edited by jerg - 12/1/12 at 1:57pm
post #2668 of 20490
Jerg, your lack of desktop amp bothers me. Lol.
post #2669 of 20490
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Jerg, your lack of desktop amp bothers me. Lol.

I understand underpowering these (especially the HE500s) makes my understanding of them a bit less credible than someone who's driving them out of something more powerful, but I have listened to both HE400 and HE500 out of more powerful setups (O2/ODAC, BHA1/W4S DAC2, EF6) at my recent meet and have a pretty good understanding of the aspects and degrees in which they improve. My conclusion is that they are both very forgiving of setups and improvement with further setup upgrade is definite but not quite paradigm-shifting.

post #2670 of 20490
Oh, I trust your judgement. It just bothers me, lol. When are you getting one? I dont even care what it is, just get one! biggrin.gif
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