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post #2401 of 19940

You guys must not screw them on that tightly.  I've never once had the stock cables fall off or get loose on me.

post #2402 of 19940
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 


I don't think there are any connectors that solve that particular problem.

Well maybe not completely, but I imagine mini XLRs aren't going to get ripped out of their sockets before they just come out. Really not a huge deal with headphones though, generally the worse thing that happens with snagging is them getting knocked to the floor, which you'd have to have way too loose connectors to prevent that. But I do snag mine quite a bit due to the large amount of slack in the cable.

post #2403 of 19940

Can't say the stock connectors affected me either, never had any issues with them. Just screw them on fairly tight and forget about them.

post #2404 of 19940
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

You guys must not screw them on that tightly.  I've never once had the stock cables fall off or get loose on me.


Yeah, I do a final twist with some needle nose pliers and I have yet to have any issues with them coming loose.  i'll occasionally do a quick attempt to turn it on my own while I'm wearing them but they never budge,


Edited by Scyy - 11/14/12 at 10:03am
post #2405 of 19940

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post #2406 of 19940
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

Headphone use should not end up causing physical issues with the ears beyond ear sensitivity/pain/ringing from excessive volume.  If you're getting pain, fluids, etc, that is being caused by something unrelated to over the ear headphones. 

Maybe it's from IEMs maybe it's from your past was build up issues....but pain and fluid sound like a more serious problem than headphones....infection, or maybe just impacted wax, etc.  But if the peroxide is burning....I would seriously get that looked at if you value this hobby.  Peroxide in the ear should feel funny....not burn...


+A1 I agree.   Though you've made me a afraid to ever use my SE535s again mad.gif   Which tips were you suing with your Westones?







I was using the white/grey foam plugs..my problem was that the westone sticked to deep inside my ears or something.and i have very small ears tongue.gif ..and i used it to long of a period..sometimes i used it for 6hours nonstop..i understood from the doc that was not a good idea.. redface.gif so since then i use over ears phones..i am not saying all people will have this problem..but for me..cant take the risk anymore..its one heck of a headphone..one of the best u can buy in my opinion..so my westones are for sale now..only used for 4 months...

Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/14/12 at 10:29am
post #2407 of 19940
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Originally Posted by Scyy View Post


Yeah, I do a final twist with some needle nose pliers and I have yet to have any issues with them coming loose.  i'll occasionally do a quick attempt to turn it on my own while I'm wearing them but they never budge,
I do the same with my double helix cable..first by hand and then one twist extra by a plier..no problems at all biggrin.gif
post #2408 of 19940
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

You guys must not screw them on that tightly.  I've never once had the stock cables fall off or get loose on me.

 

I hand tighten as much as possible.  Again, the Moon and stock cables tend to have that issue, but the Q and HE-6 stock cable rarely do with their flexibility.  Sometimes they do though.  I also wrap the cable paralell to the headband when I put it on my stand, and I think the "up-sweep" of the cable has a habit of loosening them.

 

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Originally Posted by chewy4 View Post

Well maybe not completely, but I imagine mini XLRs aren't going to get ripped out of their sockets before they just come out. Really not a huge deal with headphones though, generally the worse thing that happens with snagging is them getting knocked to the floor, which you'd have to have way too loose connectors to prevent that. But I do snag mine quite a bit due to the large amount of slack in the cable.

 

Do I hear the need for a shorter aftermarket cable? biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Scyy View Post


Yeah, I do a final twist with some needle nose pliers and I have yet to have any issues with them coming loose.  i'll occasionally do a quick attempt to turn it on my own while I'm wearing them but they never budge,

 

Ouch!  I'm not sure I'd want to tool-tighten those connectors....they're just soldered in there, and to much force could easily break them free! It's a good idea overall and no doubt works.  For the connector it's fine, but the connector attachment inside the headphone, I'd be a little afraid of that.

 

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

Headphone use should not end up causing physical issues with the ears beyond ear sensitivity/pain/ringing from excessive volume.  If you're getting pain, fluids, etc, that is being caused by something unrelated to over the ear headphones. 
Maybe it's from IEMs maybe it's from your past was build up issues....but pain and fluid sound like a more serious problem than headphones....infection, or maybe just impacted wax, etc.  But if the peroxide is burning....I would seriously get that looked at if you value this hobby.  Peroxide in the ear should feel funny....not burn...
+A1 I agree.   Though you've made me a afraid to ever use my SE535s again mad.gif   Which tips were you suing with your Westones?
I was using the white/grey foam plugs..my problem was that the westone sticked to deep inside my ears or something.and i have very small ears tongue.gif ..and i used it to long of a period..sometimes i used it for 6hours nonstop..i understood from the doc that was not a good idea.. redface.gif so since then i use over ears phones..i am not saying all people will have this problem..but for me..cant take the risk anymore..its one heck of a headphone..one of the best u can buy in my opinion..so my westones are for sale now..only used for 4 months...

 

That's awful.  I love the Shure Olives with my 535's (I think they fit Westone too) so they're probably a bit more sanitary than the white foam.  But still that's pretty scary stuff.  I do have a bit more reservation about using IEMs for that reason, it's always struck me as a possible risk in that sense, though I don't often hear about people with issues from it.  I find it interesting that 6 hours was a problem since people that need in-ear protective plugs for work/safety purposes probably wear them longer than that!

 

I certainly wouldn't take the risk either! Yikes!

 

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


I do the same with my double helix cable..first by hand and then one twist extra by a plier..no problems at all biggrin.gif

 

Does the DH really need tool tightening?  Is it the Molecule?  Seems pretty flexible to me!

post #2409 of 19940
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post
Ouch!  I'm not sure I'd want to tool-tighten those connectors....they're just soldered in there, and to much force could easily break them free! It's a good idea overall and no doubt works.  For the connector it's fine, but the connector attachment inside the headphone, I'd be a little afraid of that.

 

THe biggest problem/reason for tool-tightening isn't torque, it's that you have f-all room to work with there, and can't get a decent purchase to get them even fingertight, in my experience.

post #2410 of 19940
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

Do I hear the need for a shorter aftermarket cable? biggrin.gif

 

Yep, I got a four foot one on my way for just that reason. After I switch it in I shouldn't have the problem of my rolly chair whipping these things to the ground anymore.

post #2411 of 19940
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

I hand tighten as much as possible.  Again, the Moon and stock cables tend to have that issue, but the Q and HE-6 stock cable rarely do with their flexibility.  Sometimes they do though.  I also wrap the cable paralell to the headband when I put it on my stand, and I think the "up-sweep" of the cable has a habit of loosening them.

 

 

Do I hear the need for a shorter aftermarket cable? biggrin.gif

 

 

Ouch!  I'm not sure I'd want to tool-tighten those connectors....they're just soldered in there, and to much force could easily break them free! It's a good idea overall and no doubt works.  For the connector it's fine, but the connector attachment inside the headphone, I'd be a little afraid of that.

 

 

That's awful.  I love the Shure Olives with my 535's (I think they fit Westone too) so they're probably a bit more sanitary than the white foam.  But still that's pretty scary stuff.  I do have a bit more reservation about using IEMs for that reason, it's always struck me as a possible risk in that sense, though I don't often hear about people with issues from it.  I find it interesting that 6 hours was a problem since people that need in-ear protective plugs for work/safety purposes probably wear them longer than that!

 

I certainly wouldn't take the risk either! Yikes!

 

 

Does the DH really need tool tightening?  Is it the Molecule?  Seems pretty flexible to me!

My guess is that you did not wind up the cables before connecting them to the sockets, so there is residual torque strain inside the cable that works against the direction of the connection screw.

post #2412 of 19940
Thread Starter 

^^ I found this trick by accident and it does work well. I still don't like the hifiman connectors. They are just hard to work with and if you ever cross thread one you'll have to send them back. Also the you have to exercise a lot of care that you don't damage them due to how far they extend away from the cup. Not to best design IMO

post #2413 of 19940
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

My guess is that you did not wind up the cables before connecting them to the sockets, so there is residual torque strain inside the cable that works against the direction of the connection screw.


I bet that's it, I always twisted mine a good few turns to the left prior to twisting it on to the hp.  Probably why it hasn't been as much of an issue for me. 

 

And to IEMcrazy, it's not like I'm twisting it as hard as I can, just enough to ensure it's as secure as its going to get.


Edited by Scyy - 11/14/12 at 12:41pm
post #2414 of 19940

Since 2400 posts is beyond my available time, can someone summarize the consensus (or post links) about mods for the HE-400 ?   And, is there a consensus that the velour earpads simply sound better - or are there some dissenters ?

 

Thanks !

post #2415 of 19940
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Originally Posted by Dragunov-21 View Post

 

THe biggest problem/reason for tool-tightening isn't torque, it's that you have f-all room to work with there, and can't get a decent purchase to get them even fingertight, in my experience.

 

True enough!

 

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

My guess is that you did not wind up the cables before connecting them to the sockets, so there is residual torque strain inside the cable that works against the direction of the connection screw.

 

Good thought, and I know what you mean. I do tend to hold the cable steady "back it up" while holding the nut with each partial turn which alleviates that problem except for the last half to full turn.  But yes, that could certainly play a role slightly, though I've mitigated most of the issue.

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

^^ I found this trick by accident and it does work well. I still don't like the hifiman connectors. They are just hard to work with and if you ever cross thread one you'll have to send them back. Also the you have to exercise a lot of care that you don't damage them due to how far they extend away from the cup. Not to best design IMO

 

Yeah it does bug me how far they extend from the cup and have a habit of poking yourself in the shoulder with them if you put the headband forward on your head....it really iss a kind of sketchy design choice.

 

On the other hand I look at the friction-fit bipin plugs on HD650 and am reminded of how much I otherwise like the HFM SMC connectors wink_face.gif

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