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Originally Posted by 21quest View Post
 

my pleather pads just got worned out after 2 years... I have to use the velour pads that I have dusted.. man I cant listen to this... this is terrible man, how is this even better than the stock pleather pads that u guys have been saying?

 

Also is it normal that the steel part and the screw got rusty? Mine is getting rusty I have to find a way to cover it up.. the part thats connecting the headband to the earcup, thats where it got rusty...

 

People who like the velours have issues with the stock sound in the first place. I guess that wasn't the case for you.

 

Regarding rust, I have the same issue (probably worse by now). It could be the weather here in Singapore, and that I leave my 400 out in the open on a stand all the time since they are used everyday. I also tend to have sweaty/oily palms. Haven't seen this being brought up often though, so no idea what I can do about it. Ugly? Yes. Sound-wise? Can't say I hear any difference.

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People who like the velours have issues with the stock sound in the first place. I guess that wasn't the case for you.

 

Regarding rust, I have the same issue (probably worse by now). It could be the weather here in Singapore, and that I leave my 400 out in the open on a stand all the time since they are used everyday. I also tend to have sweaty/oily palms. Haven't seen this being brought up often though, so no idea what I can do about it. Ugly? Yes. Sound-wise? Can't say I hear any difference.

I live in Hawaii, very close to the beach/ocean and I've yet to see problems with rust/corrosion on any of my electronics gear.  I've usually been treating them with Deoxit Gold so that might be the reason.

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People who like the velours have issues with the stock sound in the first place. I guess that wasn't the case for you.

 

Regarding rust, I have the same issue (probably worse by now). It could be the weather here in Singapore, and that I leave my 400 out in the open on a stand all the time since they are used everyday. I also tend to have sweaty/oily palms. Haven't seen this being brought up often though, so no idea what I can do about it. Ugly? Yes. Sound-wise? Can't say I hear any difference.


Yea I actually like the stock sound, the pleather makes the background more dark and there is some kind of impact when the music wants to, the velour doesnt deliver this, it feels hollow and dull, the vocals sound weird. Right now Im using the jergpads, it is alot better now

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Yea I actually like the stock sound, the pleather makes the background more dark and there is some kind of impact when the music wants to, the velour doesnt deliver this, it feels hollow and dull, the vocals sound weird. Right now Im using the jergpads, it is alot better now

I've changed over to Focus pads, better comfort and not quite so much sound change.

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I've changed over to Focus pads, better comfort and not quite so much sound change.


Pretty sure I will get the focus pads eventually..

 

About this jerg pads that I did, I take it back... I guess I cant move on from the sound that I heard for 2 years..

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I've screwed with the Pads on mine for years - its now $10 velour all the way, period.

 

As for "Midrange distortion", I would be the first to suggest that we don't go TOO strongly by what the 100 dB THD plot says - I don't listen that loud, typically, as doing so damages hearing. BUT maybe I do when I am cranking up and the average level + peaks starts to hit well into the 90dB range. I think the point of those graphs is less about revealing how "clean" the headphone is, and more about its power-handling. IF its distortion is still falling at 100 dB, it probably has good power handling.

 

Any speaker played at reasonable levels, well within its performance level should produce less distortion, I would think. I don't see Innerfidelity reporting on the Max SPL of any headphones, and I would think it is entirely possible that they can't all produce 100 dB or more without major distortion. I'd love to see plots at 60 or 70 dB, where I am more likely to be listening comfortably.

 

The Midrange distortion is, to my ears, a "glare" or "shouty" sound and we can see from the response that the HE-400 have a bit of a mound around 1 khz - exactly where hearing is most sensitive. That glare is reduced with modded pleathers, low with the velours, and possibly "cured" with the sorbathane mod. Hence I think it reflects enclosure resonance possibly, not bad drivers. In fact, I've recently realized that "enclosure" (e.g. room or actual speaker box) is a very important variable in overall performance of a speaker system. If you have a bad room or a bad enclosure, you will be wasting good drivers.

 

Also, I would always rather find a way to quiet my listening space than crank up the volume to overcome ambient noise. If you are in a noisy space, go somewhere else. Your ears will be grateful, and your distortion lower!


Edited by MrMateoHead - 7/20/16 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

I've screwed with the Pads on mine for years - its now $10 velour all the way, period.

 

As for "Midrange distortion", I would be the first to suggest that we don't go TOO strongly by what the 100 dB THD plot says - I don't listen that loud, typically, as doing so damages hearing. BUT maybe I do when I am cranking up and the average level + peaks starts to hit well into the 90dB range. I think the point of those graphs is less about revealing how "clean" the headphone is, and more about its power-handling. IF its distortion is still falling at 100 dB, it probably has good power handling.

 

Any speaker played at reasonable levels, well within its performance level should produce less distortion, I would think. I don't see Innerfidelity reporting on the Max SPL of any headphones, and I would think it is entirely possible that they can't all produce 100 dB or more without major distortion. I'd love to see plots at 60 or 70 dB, where I am more likely to be listening comfortably.

 

The Midrange distortion is, to my ears, a "glare" or "shouty" sound and we can see from the response that the HE-400 have a bit of a mound around 1 khz - exactly where hearing is most sensitive. That glare is reduced with modded pleathers, low with the velours, and possibly "cured" with the sorbathane mod. Hence I think it reflects enclosure resonance possibly, not bad drivers. In fact, I've recently realized that "enclosure" (e.g. room or actual speaker box) is a very important variable in overall performance of a speaker system. If you have a bad room or a bad enclosure, you will be wasting good drivers.

 

Also, I would always rather find a way to quiet my listening space than crank up the volume to overcome ambient noise. If you are in a noisy space, go somewhere else. Your ears will be grateful, and your distortion lower!

I can't even listen at 90db, way too loud for me, and I agree, show plots at 60-70 where I listen most of the time also, 75-80 when I crank it, lol.

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