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It may be that my headband is different from yours. The padding inside the leather strip feels like a thick band-aid. Gentle pressure on it and I can feel the steel from the headband. There is just not enough padding there to be remotely comfortable. The padding on my htf-600 is much thicker and more supportive than the HFM. Maybe mine is different than yours. Maybe no padding was put into mine at all and all I have is the leather wrapped around the steel. It is possible. There have been qc issues. Just saying they are not comfortable to me and I'll find a solution that doesn't damage the headband.

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post
The Denons should also teach you how you're supposed to position headbands.  The Denon logo should be level, and the band is at a sharp angle...that's generally where any headphone's band should probably be on your head.  Try to achieve that same angle with HE-400 and see how you go.  Due to the weight of HE-400, putting it a little farther back than that may not be a bad idea.

 

 

 

That's highly dependent because the pads on the Denons can rotate quite a lot too.  :P

 

I've had my D2000 headband-- as well as the majority of my other headphone bands-- near the back of my head, right above where one's spiral is.  It minimizes headband pressure for me.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

It may be that my headband is different from yours. The padding inside the leather strip feels like a thick band-aid. Gentle pressure on it and I can feel the steel from the headband. There is just not enough padding there to be remotely comfortable. The padding on my htf-600 is much thicker and more supportive than the HFM. Maybe mine is different than yours. Maybe no padding was put into mine at all and all I have is the leather wrapped around the steel. It is possible. There have been qc issues. Just saying they are not comfortable to me and I'll find a solution that doesn't damage the headband.

 

Oh the padding is quite thin, it's sort of a memory foam.  But the headband should never have enough weight on it to actually matter at all, the weight sound be supported by the (softened) clamp on the ears, and only somewhat shared with the band.  

 

Of my two pairs one came with a very strongly clamping headband.  The other came with an EXTREMELY flexible, extremely loose headband.  You'd like that latter one.  The stronger one did better after abusing gently massaging the headband.  But on neither was the headband a source of discomfort as the earpads still take up most of the weight.  UNLESS you're putting the thing on the crown of your head.  That I will confirm hurts.  But it shouldn't be that far back.  If you have that much pressure I'm guessing you need to set the band adjustment to a larger height and move it forward on your head.  If the band is too tight (on any headphone) you'll feel the band a LOT more.  (I don't mean stretching it with that, I mean just the adjustable cup height.)

 

 

As for abusing the band....I agree caution is wise, but stretching it out over a large object, even if you don't want to actually bend it (note you can't actually bend it, it's just stretching the arch a bit, and even that takes a lot of effort.) and leaving it there shouldn't harm it.  It's like putting it on a football player's head for a while biggrin.gif 

 

Even when you stretch it, and just flex it a bit, it tends to want to reform its old shape again, but after it's sufficiently loosened it relaxes more easily if you just stretch them wider than your head before putting them on your head. 

 

ordinarily I wouldn't want to work the metal of a headband either, but I simply couldn't have worn them the other way, and the result is quite nice.  I still fidget with them, but again, I fidget with the Denons too, it's just me.

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We must hear very differently. I listened to dt990's next to the d2k and he400 for several weeks. And I also owned the he500. If the dt990 sounds better across the spectrum you might want to change your amp/dac or just sell the he500 to me biggrin.gif. I really like the dt990. It is a very nice sounding hp with end game comfort, but it was never on par with the he500 or even the he400 for the matter. 

 

The bass on the d2k is as deep with extension and impact as I've heard without bleeding into other parts of the sound signature. While the dt990 has good bass, much better than the dt880, it's simply outclassed by the d2k in this area. That's what I hear anyway.

 

I feel that DT990 has a more 3D soundstage than HE-500 - it sounds more like live music while HE-500 sounds more like a recording in this regard. I am sure the HE-500 will outclass DT990 in realism with binaural recordings. But with regular stereo, I prefer DT990 soundstage. I don't think DT990 is better than HE-500 across the spectrum. Sub bass is clearly superior on HE-500 and the overall sound is definitely more neutral and accurate. HE-500 also has faster transients in the lows and sounds quick and snappy, whereas DT990 bass can get a tad slow and boomy at times. HE-500 has superior clarity, but DT990 is sufficiently clear already. DT990 does separate sounds more, whereas HE-500 sounds more integrated and perhaps more coherent. In other aspects, the two are on about the same playing field out of HM-601 and Fiio E11. Resolution is similar, dynamics are similar, timbre is really good on both, although different - HE-500 sounds more realistic, while DT990 sounds darker and more seductive, but still quite natural. I find DT990 needs a dedicated amp to sound full. Straight out of HM-601, it can be somewhat thin and harsh, but with Fiio E11 it is significantly fuller and richer sounding.

 

I assume you have the stock D2000. I found that while it sounds wonderfully dynamic, clear and neutral for a closed headphone, the closed headphone sound is still there. In particular, I found D2000 to have a noticeable grain to its sound, especially in the treble. It wasn't really harsh, but sounded a tad metallic and lacking delicacy which is a typical issue with dynamic driver closed headphones. I also found imaging rather poor on D2000. Soundstage was impressively wide and quite deep, but sounds were all over the place. DT990 has a blacker background with the edges of sounds more clearly defined. I also find DT990 more resolving and more natural. D2000 has a bit of a veil to it and sounds a bit plasticy. But to each their own of course. I felt that D2000 needs modification to compete with open cans of DT990/HD650/K701 level.

post #215 of 17960

I can't choose between either this or the He500's, I think should just stick to my modded T50rp's.

 

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I can't choose between either this or the He500's, I think should just stick to my modded T50rp's.

 

 

Considering that I have the HE-5LEs, the HE-400s and the TP50RPs (modded), but not the HE-500s, I will say that if you were to make the HifiMAN jump, the HE-500 will require a bit more juice than the Fostex, even after the modifications.  Believe me, I love my Fostex dearly - I go to sleep with them on each night.  However, when I want to really get into my music at the detailed aspect, the HifiMAN products ring through.  The HE-400s is fairly efficient and probably no harder to drive than a pair of modified Fostex T50RPs.  Then again, the cost is about $275.00 more for the HE-400s over a $125.00 pair of modified Fostex headphones.  

 

If you had a local headphone audio meet, that would be your best bet to be able to try some of the headphones out.  It would certainly be cheaper than buying, paying for shipping and then having to pay to ship the item back if it didn't suit your likes.  To me ears, though, there is enough of an audio improvement in what the HE-400 offers to justify the $275.00 difference in price.  By this, I mean nothing negative towards the Fostex either.  However, the HifiMAN headphones offer a real different dimension in presentation.  Plus, there's a lot of other headphones that fall in between the price of a $125.00 pair of modified Fostex and the $399 pair of HifiMAN HE-400s.  Going through the weeding out process would be a bit painful, I would think.

 

Edit: One thing to keep in mind.  Since the Fostex is fairly a closed headphone (depending on the number of bass vents left open), it will not bother others around you when you listen.  Meanwhile, the HifiMAN is wide open.  Others around you will easily hear what you're listening to.  When I had my HifiMAN headphones on at a very moderate level, my wife asked me why I was listening to them so loudly.  I exclaimed that I wasn't and the volume level was quite normal.  She then couldn't understand why someone would buy a headphone if it didn't offer one privacy in listening.  I couldn't give her the whole speech about a more open sound stage, etc. so I just let that conversation quickly die.  biggrin.gif


Edited by wje - 4/28/12 at 9:21am
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Never question the wife. She is always right. Happy wife=happy life. Words to live by wink_face.gif

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I was planning on buying the Bifrost to upgrade from my Audinst.  It seems headphones would be the better upgrade for my set-up.  HE-400 is my ideal choice but there is supposedly a new line of Denon headphones due in the summer.  Probably too long a wait though.

post #219 of 17960
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Not liking the new denon look. Love the old one though. One my all time favs.

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I was planning on buying the Bifrost to upgrade from my Audinst.  It seems headphones would be the better upgrade for my set-up.  HE-400 is my ideal choice but there is supposedly a new line of Denon headphones due in the summer.  Probably too long a wait though.

 

I wonder if Fostex has been contracted to build them for Denon like some of their previous headphones?

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I wonder if Fostex has been contracted to build them for Denon like some of their previous headphones?

 

Denon is no longer a Japanese company, and I was looking over their 2012 headphone brochure and...

 

wait, on the page numbered 15, is that the QC15?  Not quite, but it's very similar looking.  Anyway, I don't see any headphones that look remotely like any of the new Denons, so I doubt they're Foster built units.  

post #222 of 17960

agree with MattTCG on the whole dt 990 vs he-500 and d2000 argument. 

 

 

i know the HE-500s are supposed to sound right on par with other headphones in the 700+ range, and i know that out of all my expensive headphones, the dt 990 don't even come close in terms of soundstage/detail/etc

 

the dt 990 are good headphones, but they are still very mid-fi sounding IMO,, even when paired with a really good amp like the WA2, the t1 on the other hand, is miles ahead of the dt 990. the dt 990 and d2000 on the other hand, are about the same, with me preferring the d2000 by a slight margin due to the bass. the dt 990 has more bass control, but doesn't go down as low or with as much authority as the denon in the sub-bass, the dt 990 focuses more on mid-bass

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Originally Posted by aural bliss View Post

I was planning on buying the Bifrost to upgrade from my Audinst.  It seems headphones would be the better upgrade for my set-up.  HE-400 is my ideal choice but there is supposedly a new line of Denon headphones due in the summer.  Probably too long a wait though.

 

Yeah, be careful with those new Denons, they may qualify for the most hideous headphones I've ever seen.  Of course, we don't know yet how they sound....

 

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I wonder if Fostex has been contracted to build them for Denon like some of their previous headphones?

 

Rumor mill in the "D7100" thread says the design was done by a US company....no word on who though.   It's nasty looking though if those are the final product.

 

 

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Denon is no longer a Japanese company, and I was looking over their 2012 headphone brochure and...

 

wait, on the page numbered 15, is that the QC15?  Not quite, but it's very similar looking.  Anyway, I don't see any headphones that look remotely like any of the new Denons, so I doubt they're Foster built units.  

 

That catalog is a Foster catalog, but the similarity to certain old Denon units in there does make me wonder if, at least in the JPN market if Forster will be selling the old Denon models under their own name now?

 

The new Denons...the ~$500 pair looks stylistically almost identical to Beats, and the ~$1200 pair simply defies any and all explanation.  I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish, or who's designing the sound, but I think we'll have to wait for results to see who they're targeting and if the sound is really up to expectations. 

 

It's a really weird turn for such an "mainstream up-scale" company.

post #224 of 17960
Can't always judge a headphone by looks. The HD800 is hideous but sounds ok.
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Can't always judge a headphone by looks. The HD800 is hideous but sounds ok.

 

That's a meager description for a $1000+ flagship phone.

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