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post #2071 of 18080
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

Well guys, I sent off my HE400s today. Got a tracking number and all that so I know when they get there.

 

I really wanted to love these cans as much as you guys, I really really did... but I just couldn't. I'm happy with my HD650s. Now, to get me one of those Q cables with some earring adapters...

It was quite the manic relationship with you and the 400s.

post #2072 of 18080
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

It's come to my understanding that amps can still sound vastly different, even when all of them measure perfectly flat from 20-20k on a frequency response chart, and all have similar distortion characteristics.  Don't ask me why, but there's other factors involved.

 

This isn't the first time I've heard someone say the O2's bass is rolled off or sounded too thin for them.  Yet at the same time, the epitome of subjective reviewers at Headfonia loved the HE-400 with O2, despite disliking the O2's sound in general.  I'm sure 90% of it boils down to personal preference, MLE giving his own perfect example.  Whitecrow has also said he didn't think the Lyr did anything better on the HE-400 compared to a LDMKII, the likes of which I had and ever so slightly preferred the O2 over.

 

As for the HE-400 sounding better over time, 100% it's brain burn-in.  It can be such a dramatically different signature than most other headphones, and if you'e coming off something with the slightest hint of brightness or thin-ness, the HE-400 can easily sound muffled upon first listen.  It definitely did for me, and I was coming from an HD650!  It only took me an hour or two to adjust, and the HE-400 quickly became my neutral again.

My sentiments exactly. You can't measure everything, and the components of subjective impact probably have equipment-level factors not captured by existing measurements, or there are external environmental / cognitive / physical factors (like someone living in a noisy city v. country, having a strong brand bias, or even slight hearing loss). That said, I would rather have a flawed standard measurement approach than none at all.

 

+1 on Brain Burn-In. The listening experience of the HE-400 was disappointing to me at first - I expected a more "V-Shaped" response, and these seemed anything but. I expected to be blown away, I wasn't. Then they became the most transparent and textured things I'd ever heard. I'd bet now that many, many other fine phones would sound frickin' terrible A/B to these, and to my ears.

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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post


Do you know if Double Helix Cables are willing to terminate the OCC to banana plugs? They seem to have reasonable (well, apart from that Spore) prices, and seem to be a good contender between BTG's cables. I know they had some there at the last meet, but honestly, I tried not to pay too much attention to the cables there. They look to be a bit more flexible than the BTGs, that's for sure.

Planning to step up to the HE-6, I only got to hear them once, but they seem to be the logical place to upgrade too. That HE-500 treble, though...can see why you're ditching the 400's. 

Check my avatar pics and u will see that double helix cables can make any cable u like..i got a 1/8 mini phone to double din connectors between my hm602 lineout and my line in of my amp..both with valab rhodium plated carbon connectors. So yeah..i suppose they can make the cable u need. Hope this info helps. And yeah..my quicksilver white headphone cable to my he500 is also from double helix cables. biggrin.gif
post #2074 of 18080

My silk Q cable that I ordered about a month back for the HE-400 finally shipped today biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post

I am lost myself. I think my original comment went to IEMCrazy and somehow, getting mixed into the conversation, I went after you when I meant IEMCrazy. So I guess I am the crazy one. Sorry for the confusion, and sorry to IEM if I was way off base. I just made the mistake of thinking I could convince someone that it makes more sense to focus on phones' than other equipment, other things being equal.

 

BTW great post - I really appreciate and respect your perspective on audio. To the problem of eliminating variables in a double-blind test, that is what stat regression is for - presumably you can estimate the impact of one factor against "all other known factors". Then again you might want to "test" people's bias by showing them 4 amps with 4 different cases, ranging from plain to super-high-quality. With the exact same internals, you then ask them which sound they like best. You've polluted the test, because people are now "forced" to rank, so perhaps they all go with the best looking one. I would be surprised if many responded "they all sound the same." But you also let them in on a little secret afterward - you really will pay more for a look sometimes. It would be hard to do double-blind tests with headphones because they have different shapes / sizes / weight / comfort, and a respondent has a good chance of being familiar with the look and feel of a given model. I think the HE's would've flunked my ears in a blind test - primarily because I am used to a "sennheiser" presentation. How would we account for that? The basic point is that people (consumers in this case), are conditioned to look for, and identify differences constantly. We are also given s*** information. Those of us here, that obviously love music to the point of investing $1,000s in equipment / phones, should get the best information as well as the best products! It is frustrating (to me) that so much is left to subjective impression - because I don't trust myself to always "know with my ears".

 

 

 

No worries! These kind of misunderstandings and minor dust-ups are inevitable. I'm not familiar with Regression  analysis, but I see that Wikipedia has lots of juicy and dense info on the subject. Time to bone up on something new. Thanks.  


Edited by Madmollusk - 11/7/12 at 8:22pm
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Feel the lushness of music with bass slam, soundstage, imaging, layers, speed. In short feel....true to recording sound from HE-400

post #2077 of 18080
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Originally Posted by Madmollusk View Post

What surprised me the most about the HE-400 though has to be its holographic presentation: with the right recordings, music can become downright ethereal.

Yeah! This was my favorite thing about the HE-400, if I'm understanding you correctly. To my ears, this "holographic presentation" was due to the awesome instrument separation and imaging. It's the thing I miss the most about the HE-400.

post #2078 of 18080
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Originally Posted by Madmollusk View Post

 

No worries! These kind of misunderstandings and minor dust-ups are inevitable. I'm not familiar with Regression  analysis, but I see that Wikipedia has lots of juicy and dense info on the subject. Time to bone up on something new. Thanks.  


beerchug.gif Cheers mate.

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Originally Posted by musicinmymind View Post

 

Feel the lushness of music with bass slam, soundstage, imaging, layers, speed. In short feel....true to recording sound from HE-400

 

Very nice song to stress just what the he-400 can do, but man, I gotta say, that video was a little distracting; who could possible concentrate on headphone audio with super-sexy models in nurses uniforms dancing all over the place. 

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Originally Posted by Madmollusk View Post

 

Very nice song to stress just what the he-400 can do, but man, I gotta say, that video was a little distracting; who could possible concentrate on headphone audio with super-sexy models in nurses uniforms dancing all over the place. 

lol

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What the?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Whats with all these people suddenly pining to be like me over the last few months?

 


@Fearless1


I know I'm an ultra cool cat and all but come on my fellow bopper you really should be yourself and stop trying to live vicariously through me. I'm rather flattered you chose to try and follow my footsteps and I'm sure if you apply yourself you'll one day evolve to become part of the DigitalFreak Alpha Clan but for now could you please find a more appropriate avatar. May I suggest a logo of your favorite sports team or maybe a nice pic of an attractive scantily clad girly wearing headphones or maybe something that says something along the lines of DigitalFreak For World Prez. I personally like the last suggestion the most but I'm sure a lot of our fellow boppers on here will vote for the scantily clad girly avatar. Maybe you could merge the two ideas and go with a scantily clad girly wearing headphones standing beside a logo of your favorite sports team? Now that would be the best of both worlds. Make sure the girly you pick out is a redhead. Redheads are known for being real fire crackers. If you really want to be creative have her hold a sign saying DigitalFreak For World Prez.

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post #2082 of 18080

^^^^

Wrong thread?

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Originally Posted by richierich View Post

^^^^

Wrong thread?


Nahhh right thread, I'm just being my freaky self. Excuse my demented humor.

 

Since I'm here I have a serious question concerning the HE-400. I did some quick nosing around on the thread but couldn't find the answer to my question so please pardon me if this question has been asked to death on the thread. From what I understand there have been some revisions to this headphone. Which revision is the best sounding so far? I remember one fellow on another thread mentioning in passing conversation the latest revision on the HE-400 was actually a step back and was wondering if that was true.

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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post


Nahhh right thread, I'm just being my freaky self. Excuse my demented humor.

 

Since I'm here I have a serious question concerning the HE-400. I did some quick nosing around on the thread but couldn't find the answer to my question so please pardon me if this question has been asked to death on the thread. From what I understand there have been some revisions to this headphone. Which revision is the best sounding so far? I remember one fellow on another thread mentioning in passing conversation the latest revision on the HE-400 was actually a step back and was wondering if that was true.

Rev.1 had some build problems and didn't sound consistent, Rev.2 are what most people have and enjoy. Rev.3 came from an attempt to strengthen the structure, but it negatively affected the treble. HiFiMAN has reverted back to the Rev.2 now.

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rev 1=bad

rev 2=good

rev 3=bad

rev 4/3.5 (what we're getting right now)=rev 2 

Which is good. bigsmile_face.gif

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