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post #20206 of 20218

bass is slightly more emphasized in quantity on the HE-400i compared to the HE-560. both have great technical bass traits covering speed, linear extension, and tightness, though I would give the HE-560 the edge. Strengths of the HE-560 primarily relate to its more neutral and well-balanced sound signature along with its improved detail retrieval, superior imaging, and larger sound stage. There is a sense of diminishing returns though as the sonic improvements subtle improvements rather than a glaring difference.

 

HE-400 has the most bass impact and slam out of all three.

post #20207 of 20218

just mod HE400i headband for my HE400, very light and comfortable :)

 

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post #20208 of 20218

at above, OMG... how did you manage that? any picture of the process for others interested in attempting this heh.

post #20209 of 20218
I recently purchased the HE400, after asking for advice in the 400i thread, regarding if I should go for the i version or the regular 400's (after doing a lot of research, and being enthralled by "the legend of electronic musical bliss in two cans"). Some guys there told me to post how they worked out for me, so here we go:

I only received the non-i ones today (seemingly the 2. rev based on the white color of the magnet supports), and even if they obviously aren't broken in yet, I have formed an initial impression, using the relatively neutral Oppo ha2 amp. To jump to the conclusion straight away: I am very very happy about my choice. My goal was initially to get a new set for electronic music, which they seem to do excellently. As some of the weird electronic sounds my ears are subjected to can be extremely harsh due to loads of distortion and filter usage, the treble is an important factor when choosing hp's, to conserve my already diminishing hearing. The 400's strikes a good balance between clear and defined high frequencies and painfully sharp ones, and I experience very little listening fatigue. Hence I can listen to the music I love at higher levels than I otherwise would be able to. Far from every set I own manage to pull off this feat.

However, the main priority I had when choosing between the i version and these ones were the bass. In this department I am very pleased. They have this warm, energetic sub bass sound that never seems to bleed into the mids and "take over" the soundstage. Both breakbeats and electronic drum kits (808, 909 etc.) seems to be punchy and fulfilling, and basslines of all flavours and filters seem to thrive, coming out of the 400's. All this coming out from the original mix, from a neutral source, which is an important thing since I am no fan of having to EQ my sets to get an acceptable sound from them (tubes are ok in my book though). The electronic music I listen to is obviously dependent on lower frequencies, so the 400's really hits the nail on the head here. Mission accomplished!

Personally I also find the soundstage very good, with good separation in the mid/high frequency regions, and they feel "big" enough for me whenever I listen to grandiose soundscapes, often found in industrial and ambient music. They also feel very dynamic. Compared to my HD650's, these are obviously more "coloured", and while the 650's does a terrific job reproducing the mixtapes of the world, also ones containing electronic music, the 400's feel different in the sense that they are less analytical and up close, but rather a bit more pulled back, like when observing a canvas of art from a distance. I am also very fond of my ATH-M50's. These are perhaps even more "playful" and purely fun to listen to, but they really cant match the mids and lower highs of the 400's, and often dont do a very good job playing non-electronic music. They also dont have the same degree of sustained low frequency reproduction, but pulls of the "boom" factor in a good manner. In fact I would say that the 400's in many ways land somewhere between the 650's and the M50's, which is excellent for my needs.

I actually find that the 400's also play non-electronic music very well, contrary to what I thought beforehand, based on the comments of others here. Although the mids doesnt reach the level of my 650's or PS1000's, I would say they do more than fine. Distorted guitars are powerfully and precisely reproduced, and misc. acoustic instruments sound nice as well (but again, not "perfect" like with some other sets, and a tiny bit recessed at times). Industrial rock, with a mix of guitars and electronic instruments, seems very suited for these phones. If I find the 400's lacking for a particular kind of music, this doesnt matter anyhow, as they were never intended for being my "jack of all kinds" (thats what my 650's are for). Its worth mentioning that my Aune T1 amp (with the bright stock tube) made the 400's sound VERY different than with the Oppo, which is a good thing as I can try out different tubes to experience very different soundscapes.

The only negative point I can find is that the cable is way too stiff for its own good, but I guess thats easy enough to fix in due time. I'll take advice on this if provided (not willing to shell out 400 usd or something for this however). Comfort-wise I actually expected the cans to be way more uncomfortable, but I have used them for several hours today with no issues of head or ear fatigue (with default faux leather pads). They dont feel heavy on my head either, but then again I am an adult man with a reasonably strong neck.

Anyways. Since I am bound to writing this on the iPad, and have been for months now (which sucks), I think I will round up this "first impression" here. All in all, the hype I have been absorbing regarding the 400's holds true, and I havent regretted buying them for one nanosecond. My initial fear of these overlapping with some of my other hp's have been alleviated, and they will most certainly find their rightful place among my other low/mid/high tier phones, or should I rather say "beside" them. I havent tried the 400i's, but I honestly believe that I made the right choice in choosing this, based on the reviews and comments regarding the i's, more specifically that they are somewhat ironed out in their signature.

Lastly; glad to join you 400 guys here, and thank you all for your feedback regarding your experiences, since back when they were released. Cheers!
post #20210 of 20218

Great post, Chris. I have had pretty much the same experience as you thus far, as I am pretty late to the game with these HE-400s, as well. 

 

Something I'm noticing, and that I really like, is that these will scale up. They sound quite good out of a modest headphone jack, but when I drive them with my main headphone rig they really come alive with impressive dynamics and a punchy low end. 

 

Truly a real bargain. 

post #20211 of 20218
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

Great post, Chris...

...Something I'm noticing, and that I really like, is that these will scale up. They sound quite good out of a modest headphone jack, but when I drive them with my main headphone rig they really come alive with impressive dynamics and a punchy low end. 

Thank you Focker! Yes, they do sound good directly from my iPhone 6, but I tried swapping back and forth between my ha2 and the phone, and everything sounded more balanced and controlled, and more punchy and dynamic as you say.

I also did one last A, B, C, D between my 400's, M50's, 650's and (Takstar) Pro 80's, playing some KMFDM, and my statement above holds true. The M50 have HUGE amounts of bass (most of all), but really falls through in the middle frequencies, and seems a bit artificial. The 650's are evenly balanced, and while they initially feel a bit flat, they probably are the most "correct" ones, in terms of reproducing all frequency regions evenly, and don't really produce that deep, rumbling bass which affect the belly. The Pro 80's, while surprisingly good as they were given free to me with the Aune T1, does a decent job producing bass and sound overall nice, but sound a bit "boxy" (not strange as they are closed). The 400's does an excellent job in the middle frequency region, and does the next best job here after the 650's. They don't have that EXTREME bass feeling of the M50's (which sometimes is a bit TOO much), but steadily reproduce it in a powerful, clear and controlled manner, while producing a heartfelt rumble in the bass region when the music calls for it. They also feel more suited for beautifully crafted and complex pieces than said M50's.

They 400's really ARE what I expected them to be, and I will enjoy many a hour of musical, electronic goodness with these babies!
post #20212 of 20218

i have a question.... I decided to connect my hifiman 400 to the headphone out of my Monsoon mm 2000 powered speakers ( 100 watts amp)... The Ember is only pre amp in the chain.... The sound is  way more better, more bass, better higher frequencies, better soundstage than  the Ember headphone out.... (But without the Ember preamplification (tube 6ns7) the sound is not so good)....My question : is the planars generally need more power to sound good?  the Monsoon speakers amp have more power than the Ember amp....Hence i think so... what do you think?:L3000: 

 

By the way the he 400 on the speakers amp  with the tube of the Ember preamplifier out are more lifelike and 3 d than my stax system (srm 252s + lambda nova basic)


Edited by richard51 - Yesterday at 9:24 pm
post #20213 of 20218

You'll get opinions from both sides of the coin with that...I've been a huge fan of planar speakers (Magnepans) for years, and in my opinion they absolutely sound best when you give them plenty of juice (and or have plenty in reserve). I've also found the same holds true of my Audeze headphones, and now also the HE-400s. Both sound good out of a headphone jack, but my Meier Classic amp puts out over 4watts, and even though they aren't necessarily using all that, I do feel that they are more dynamic and have a much more robust and punchy low end when they are paired with the Meier. 

 

But as I said, others will tell you the opposite...so YMMV :)

post #20214 of 20218
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Originally Posted by robotncc View Post

just mod HE400i headband for my HE400, very light and comfortable smily_headphones1.gif

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I find HE400 headband uncomfortable and would love to know how you did this.

If this isn't some kind of joke - WANT DETAILS!!!
post #20215 of 20218
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Originally Posted by richard51 View Post
 

i have a question.... I decided to connect my hifiman 400 to the headphone out of my Monsoon mm 2000 powered speakers ( 100 watts amp)... The Ember is only pre amp in the chain.... The sound is  way more better, more bass, better higher frequencies, better soundstage than  the Ember headphone out.... (But without the Ember preamplification (tube 6ns7) the sound is not so good)....My question : is the planars generally need more power to sound good?  the Monsoon speakers amp have more power than the Ember amp....Hence i think so... what do you think?:L3000: 

 

By the way the he 400 on the speakers amp  with the tube of the Ember preamplifier out are more lifelike and 3 d than my stax system (srm 252s + lambda nova basic)

 

My experience: yes. I know you will have people tell you once it's enough power there should be no improvement - but I am not sold on that as my personal experience is, more power, better sound. ;-) but who cares about other people's opinion, if it sounds great to you that is all that counts.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Focker View Post
 

You'll get opinions from both sides of the coin with that...I've been a huge fan of planar speakers (Magnepans) for years, and in my opinion they absolutely sound best when you give them plenty of juice (and or have plenty in reserve). I've also found the same holds true of my Audeze headphones, and now also the HE-400s. Both sound good out of a headphone jack, but my Meier Classic amp puts out over 4watts, and even though they aren't necessarily using all that, I do feel that they are more dynamic and have a much more robust and punchy low end when they are paired with the Meier. 

 

But as I said, others will tell you the opposite...so YMMV :)


+1

post #20216 of 20218
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post


I find HE400 headband uncomfortable and would love to know how you did this.

If this isn't some kind of joke - WANT DETAILS!!!

Actually ratios of 2 headbands is same, just widen four holes for fix HE400i headband :) But you should come to your local store for better support, my headphone upgraded by http://www.3kshop.vn/


Edited by robotncc - Today at 12:51 am
post #20217 of 20218
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 

 

My experience: yes. I know you will have people tell you once it's enough power there should be no improvement - but I am not sold on that as my personal experience is, more power, better sound. ;-) but who cares about other people's opinion, if it sounds great to you that is all that counts.

 

 


+1

 

Amen to that. 

 

When I got into Magnepan speakers, I had people telling me that one of their achilles heels was the lack of dynamics. I almost let that talk me out of a pair. But what I did was focus on an amp that could give them as much juice as they could ask for, installed a dedicated 20a circuit (great investment for only about $120), and I actively bi-amped them using an outboard Marchand active crossover. When I was done, I was getting all the dynamics you could possibly want. They clearly sounded better than when I ran them stock, and everyone that heard them loved them. 

 

To a much lesser degree, the same holds true with my planar headphones...it's pretty easy to tell when I have the LCD-X or HE400s hooked up to my little Audioengine dac/amp vs when they are driven by the "black stack" :beerchug: 

post #20218 of 20218
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Originally Posted by robotncc View Post
 

just mod HE400i headband for my HE400, very light and comfortable :)

 

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Cool mod.

 

Not that I had anything to complain about the original head band, though. In my opinion the HE-400 with the original head band has got a great wearing comfort due to the rather high clamping pressure on the ear cups which leads to a relief of pressure on the head band.

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