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post #20191 of 20199
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After having most of the Hifiman headphones, I just got around to trying the HE-400.  I did the same mods to the 400 that I had done to the HE-4.  I replaced the grill with a light wire grid from a basket, I installed shelf liner over the ear side of the driver, and used Focus Pads and a DHC SP V2 Litz cable.  Results are stunning, and very close to my modded HE-6.  Fantastic mids, smooth treble, textured bass, very balanced throughout.  I never would have thunked it.  The HE-4 is a nice little brother to the HE-6, but I think with the mods to the HE-400, that I have another in the family that really out performs for it's price.  The HE-400 on my setup is surprisingly a good all rounder.


I had the same result.  Out of speaker taps, modded exactly like my HE-6, it's really close and that bass...............

 

This can scales nicely. 


I have both of my Denon's set up with speaker taps, all three Hifiman's, HE-6, HE-4 and HE-400 all sound very good out of the Denon's, from Metrum Octave MKII DAC.  But the Kenzie Amp brings the magic of tubes and delivers 3 - 4 wpc, which is plenty for any of my orthos to outperform the Denon's at 110 wpc and 125 wpc.  The Kenzie produces voices and instruments out of a clean black background, that just seem to appear out of nowhere!


Edited by cute - Today at 11:42 am
post #20192 of 20199
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i am very surprised to read this here about the he 400 and speakers amp comparison with the he 6.......The difference is not great if i understand you clearly... very surprising for the difference in price....why do i trouble to buy the he 6 if i had the he 400 ....i ponder your remarks...I know  the law of diminishing returns but this is amazing for me....:blink:  thanks for sharing your experiece.....:happy_face1:

I would disagree with the above impressions (though using the HE-560 rather than the HE-6). The HE-560's sound signature is much more neutral and well-balanced compared to the HE-400. The HE-400 has some amazing strength to be sure and it was one of my favorite headphones, but I am highly skeptical that even modded that it can compare to flagship headphones. It competes extremely well in the mid-fi category, but there are other mid-fi headphones that outperform it sonically.

 

of course this is my personal opinion & ymmv

post #20193 of 20199
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I would disagree with the above impressions (though using the HE-560 rather than the HE-6). The HE-560's sound signature is much more neutral and well-balanced compared to the HE-400. The HE-400 has some amazing strength to be sure and it was one of my favorite headphones, but I am highly skeptical that even modded that it can compare to flagship headphones. It competes extremely well in the mid-fi category, but there are other mid-fi headphones that outperform it sonically.

 

of course this is my personal opinion & ymmv


thank you very much that clarify all ....:popcorn:

post #20194 of 20199
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i am very surprised to read this here about the he 400 and speakers amp comparison with the he 6.......The difference is not great if i understand you clearly... very surprising for the difference in price....why do i trouble to buy the he 6 if i had the he 400 ....i ponder your remarks...I know  the law of diminishing returns but this is amazing for me....:blink:  thanks for sharing your experiece.....:happy_face1:

I would disagree with the above impressions (though using the HE-560 rather than the HE-6). The HE-560's sound signature is much more neutral and well-balanced compared to the HE-400. The HE-400 has some amazing strength to be sure and it was one of my favorite headphones, but I am highly skeptical that even modded that it can compare to flagship headphones. It competes extremely well in the mid-fi category, but there are other mid-fi headphones that outperform it sonically.

 

of course this is my personal opinion & ymmv

 

I had the HE-560 three times in the last year.  Each time I came to the same conclusion, modded or not, the 4 kHz (hump/tizz) just ruined the experience.  The treble on the 560 is just different than the modded HE-4, HE-6, and HE-400, and I couldn't live with it.

post #20195 of 20199

very interesting opinion..... i wonder what others user thinks......:smile_phones: 

 

when i bought the he 400 i too had some problem with higher frequencies... but i change that by buyingbetter amp and dac.... But your gear is quality gear ...hence what is the problem ? I am curious to find if other users of the he 560 fell the same ... thanks for your sharing experience....:L3000: 


Edited by richard51 - Today at 11:56 am
post #20196 of 20199
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I had the HE-560 three times in the last year.  Each time I came to the same conclusion, modded or not, the 4 kHz (hump/tizz) just ruined the experience.  The treble on the 560 is just different than the modded HE-4, HE-6, and HE-400, and I couldn't live with it.

Feel free to disagree & these are my personal opinions, but the HE-400 has much more issues with coloration than the HE-560. 

 

The HE-400 has a recessed upper midrange and quite a few treble spikes (specifically one in the 9-10kHz region that can cause sibilance and piercing) and overall treble elevation. I don't see how the unique coloration of the HE-400 can be nullified regardless of what amplifier or mods added to the headphones.

 

the HE-560 does have a peak in 4 kHz but that is the range for clarity and definition and a boost to that region can be quite helpful. Can bring a slight edge to the treble notes, but that is much more subtle than the spikes found on the HE-400. The 4kHz also helps with cymbal presence and crispiness. I think that tuning choice can be quite positive.

 

The HE-400's strength is its bass quality and impact for an open pair of headphones. It has a very unique sound signature that can be quite enjoyable. However, I don't think it is more technically capable than a lot of the alternative mid-fi headphones out there, so it is a bit of an exaggeration I think to say that it can reach HE-560 or HE-6 level of performance. Sure, one can prefer the HE-400 over another pair of headphones, but there are some objective sonic qualities that we can use to judge headphone performance, and it is quite hard to believe that the HE-400 can reach flagship levels of performance.

 

obviously you think differently which is chill. ymmv of course.

post #20197 of 20199

your two opinions are useful......no piece of gear is perfect for all and with all pieces of gear...I appreciate your detailed rectification Money4me247:L3000:

post #20198 of 20199
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I had the HE-560 three times in the last year.  Each time I came to the same conclusion, modded or not, the 4 kHz (hump/tizz) just ruined the experience.  The treble on the 560 is just different than the modded HE-4, HE-6, and HE-400, and I couldn't live with it.

Feel free to disagree & these are my personal opinions, but the HE-400 has much more issues with coloration than the HE-560. 

 

The HE-400 has a recessed upper midrange and quite a few treble spikes (specifically one in the 9-10kHz region that can cause sibilance and piercing) and overall treble elevation. I don't see how the unique coloration of the HE-400 can be nullified regardless of what amplifier or mods added to the headphones.

 

the HE-560 does have a peak in 4 kHz but that is the range for clarity and definition and a boost to that region can be quite helpful. Can bring a slight edge to the treble notes, but that is much more subtle than the spikes found on the HE-400. The 4kHz also helps with cymbal presence and crispiness. I think that tuning choice can be quite positive.

 

The HE-400's strength is its bass quality and impact for an open pair of headphones. It has a very unique sound signature that can be quite enjoyable. However, I don't think it is more technically capable than a lot of the alternative mid-fi headphones out there, so it is a bit of an exaggeration I think to say that it can reach HE-560 or HE-6 level of performance. Sure, one can prefer the HE-400 over another pair of headphones, but there are some objective sonic qualities that we can use to judge headphone performance, and it is quite hard to believe that the HE-400 can reach flagship levels of performance.

 

obviously you think differently which is chill. ymmv of course.


Three strikes with the 560 = a strikeout, what more can I say, the tizz just didn't go away.  After mods on both the HE-4 and HE-400, I don't hear treble spikes at 9 - 10 kHz, mods smoothed them out, YMMV!

post #20199 of 20199
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Three strikes with the 560 = a strikeout, what more can I say, the tizz just didn't go away.  After mods on both the HE-4 and HE-400, I don't hear treble spikes at 9 - 10 kHz, mods smoothed them out, YMMV!


they are no perfection in audio......thanks for your experience....:darthsmile:

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