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post #20191 of 20203
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After having most of the Hifiman headphones, I just got around to trying the HE-400.  I did the same mods to the 400 that I had done to the HE-4.  I replaced the grill with a light wire grid from a basket, I installed shelf liner over the ear side of the driver, and used Focus Pads and a DHC SP V2 Litz cable.  Results are stunning, and very close to my modded HE-6.  Fantastic mids, smooth treble, textured bass, very balanced throughout.  I never would have thunked it.  The HE-4 is a nice little brother to the HE-6, but I think with the mods to the HE-400, that I have another in the family that really out performs for it's price.  The HE-400 on my setup is surprisingly a good all rounder.


I had the same result.  Out of speaker taps, modded exactly like my HE-6, it's really close and that bass...............

 

This can scales nicely. 


I have both of my Denon's set up with speaker taps, all three Hifiman's, HE-6, HE-4 and HE-400 all sound very good out of the Denon's, from Metrum Octave MKII DAC.  But the Kenzie Amp brings the magic of tubes and delivers 3 - 4 wpc, which is plenty for any of my orthos to outperform the Denon's at 110 wpc and 125 wpc.  The Kenzie produces voices and instruments out of a clean black background, that just seem to appear out of nowhere!


Edited by cute - Yesterday at 11:42 am
post #20192 of 20203
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i am very surprised to read this here about the he 400 and speakers amp comparison with the he 6.......The difference is not great if i understand you clearly... very surprising for the difference in price....why do i trouble to buy the he 6 if i had the he 400 ....i ponder your remarks...I know  the law of diminishing returns but this is amazing for me....:blink:  thanks for sharing your experiece.....:happy_face1:

I would disagree with the above impressions (though using the HE-560 rather than the HE-6). The HE-560's sound signature is much more neutral and well-balanced compared to the HE-400. The HE-400 has some amazing strength to be sure and it was one of my favorite headphones, but I am highly skeptical that even modded that it can compare to flagship headphones. It competes extremely well in the mid-fi category, but there are other mid-fi headphones that outperform it sonically.

 

of course this is my personal opinion & ymmv

post #20193 of 20203
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I would disagree with the above impressions (though using the HE-560 rather than the HE-6). The HE-560's sound signature is much more neutral and well-balanced compared to the HE-400. The HE-400 has some amazing strength to be sure and it was one of my favorite headphones, but I am highly skeptical that even modded that it can compare to flagship headphones. It competes extremely well in the mid-fi category, but there are other mid-fi headphones that outperform it sonically.

 

of course this is my personal opinion & ymmv


thank you very much that clarify all ....:popcorn:

post #20194 of 20203
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i am very surprised to read this here about the he 400 and speakers amp comparison with the he 6.......The difference is not great if i understand you clearly... very surprising for the difference in price....why do i trouble to buy the he 6 if i had the he 400 ....i ponder your remarks...I know  the law of diminishing returns but this is amazing for me....:blink:  thanks for sharing your experiece.....:happy_face1:

I would disagree with the above impressions (though using the HE-560 rather than the HE-6). The HE-560's sound signature is much more neutral and well-balanced compared to the HE-400. The HE-400 has some amazing strength to be sure and it was one of my favorite headphones, but I am highly skeptical that even modded that it can compare to flagship headphones. It competes extremely well in the mid-fi category, but there are other mid-fi headphones that outperform it sonically.

 

of course this is my personal opinion & ymmv

 

I had the HE-560 three times in the last year.  Each time I came to the same conclusion, modded or not, the 4 kHz (hump/tizz) just ruined the experience.  The treble on the 560 is just different than the modded HE-4, HE-6, and HE-400, and I couldn't live with it.

post #20195 of 20203

very interesting opinion..... i wonder what others user thinks......:smile_phones: 

 

when i bought the he 400 i too had some problem with higher frequencies... but i change that by buyingbetter amp and dac.... But your gear is quality gear ...hence what is the problem ? I am curious to find if other users of the he 560 fell the same ... thanks for your sharing experience....:L3000: 


Edited by richard51 - Yesterday at 11:56 am
post #20196 of 20203
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I had the HE-560 three times in the last year.  Each time I came to the same conclusion, modded or not, the 4 kHz (hump/tizz) just ruined the experience.  The treble on the 560 is just different than the modded HE-4, HE-6, and HE-400, and I couldn't live with it.

Feel free to disagree & these are my personal opinions, but the HE-400 has much more issues with coloration than the HE-560. 

 

The HE-400 has a recessed upper midrange and quite a few treble spikes (specifically one in the 9-10kHz region that can cause sibilance and piercing) and overall treble elevation. I don't see how the unique coloration of the HE-400 can be nullified regardless of what amplifier or mods added to the headphones.

 

the HE-560 does have a peak in 4 kHz but that is the range for clarity and definition and a boost to that region can be quite helpful. Can bring a slight edge to the treble notes, but that is much more subtle than the spikes found on the HE-400. The 4kHz also helps with cymbal presence and crispiness. I think that tuning choice can be quite positive.

 

The HE-400's strength is its bass quality and impact for an open pair of headphones. It has a very unique sound signature that can be quite enjoyable. However, I don't think it is more technically capable than a lot of the alternative mid-fi headphones out there, so it is a bit of an exaggeration I think to say that it can reach HE-560 or HE-6 level of performance. Sure, one can prefer the HE-400 over another pair of headphones, but there are some objective sonic qualities that we can use to judge headphone performance, and it is quite hard to believe that the HE-400 can reach flagship levels of performance.

 

obviously you think differently which is chill. ymmv of course.

post #20197 of 20203

your two opinions are useful......no piece of gear is perfect for all and with all pieces of gear...I appreciate your detailed rectification Money4me247:L3000:

post #20198 of 20203
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I had the HE-560 three times in the last year.  Each time I came to the same conclusion, modded or not, the 4 kHz (hump/tizz) just ruined the experience.  The treble on the 560 is just different than the modded HE-4, HE-6, and HE-400, and I couldn't live with it.

Feel free to disagree & these are my personal opinions, but the HE-400 has much more issues with coloration than the HE-560. 

 

The HE-400 has a recessed upper midrange and quite a few treble spikes (specifically one in the 9-10kHz region that can cause sibilance and piercing) and overall treble elevation. I don't see how the unique coloration of the HE-400 can be nullified regardless of what amplifier or mods added to the headphones.

 

the HE-560 does have a peak in 4 kHz but that is the range for clarity and definition and a boost to that region can be quite helpful. Can bring a slight edge to the treble notes, but that is much more subtle than the spikes found on the HE-400. The 4kHz also helps with cymbal presence and crispiness. I think that tuning choice can be quite positive.

 

The HE-400's strength is its bass quality and impact for an open pair of headphones. It has a very unique sound signature that can be quite enjoyable. However, I don't think it is more technically capable than a lot of the alternative mid-fi headphones out there, so it is a bit of an exaggeration I think to say that it can reach HE-560 or HE-6 level of performance. Sure, one can prefer the HE-400 over another pair of headphones, but there are some objective sonic qualities that we can use to judge headphone performance, and it is quite hard to believe that the HE-400 can reach flagship levels of performance.

 

obviously you think differently which is chill. ymmv of course.


Three strikes with the 560 = a strikeout, what more can I say, the tizz just didn't go away.  After mods on both the HE-4 and HE-400, I don't hear treble spikes at 9 - 10 kHz, mods smoothed them out, YMMV!

post #20199 of 20203
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Three strikes with the 560 = a strikeout, what more can I say, the tizz just didn't go away.  After mods on both the HE-4 and HE-400, I don't hear treble spikes at 9 - 10 kHz, mods smoothed them out, YMMV!


they are no perfection in audio......thanks for your experience....:darthsmile:

post #20200 of 20203

I've been A/Bing my 400 and 400i and I think I'll keep both. The 400 with Focus Pads and headband cushion are more comfortable than the 400i on my hand due to the difference in clamp force. I think both are quite comfortable though and the 400i is better on longer sessions. I'd say the 400 definitely has more bass and less mids than the 400i as many have stated here before. Also feel the 400 sounds just smoother (with a little glare up top, doesn't bug me) and a bit more distant and enveloping. The 400i sounds more crisp and direct. I generally hate using this term, but it just sounds a bit more natural. They also have a slight edge on detail and clarity. So as far as genres go, here are my thoughts as to which I prefer for different genres:

 

400: Electronic (**** Buttons, Blanck Mass, Chrome Sparks), Hip-Hop (Doomtree, Kendrick, Jeezy), Jazz (Coltrane, Kamasi Washington), some Doom/Drone/Noise (Sunn o))), GOG, Ural Umbo)

 

400i: Rock/Punk (Wavves, Surfer Blood, Fidlar), Most Metal (Leviathan, Bloodbath, Sleep, Monolord, Between the Buried and Me), Acoustic Guitar (J Mascis, Bon Iver), Pop/R&B (T-Swift, Purity Ring, Frank Ocean)

 

Most of my listening is usually some sort of metal and I tend to go with the 400i because guitars sound more full and aggressive than on the 400.

post #20201 of 20203
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I've been A/Bing my 400 and 400i and I think I'll keep both. The 400 with Focus Pads and headband cushion are more comfortable than the 400i on my hand due to the difference in clamp force. I think both are quite comfortable though and the 400i is better on longer sessions. I'd say the 400 definitely has more bass and less mids than the 400i as many have stated here before. Also feel the 400 sounds just smoother (with a little glare up top, doesn't bug me) and a bit more distant and enveloping. The 400i sounds more crisp and direct. I generally hate using this term, but it just sounds a bit more natural. They also have a slight edge on detail and clarity. So as far as genres go, here are my thoughts as to which I prefer for different genres:

 

400: Electronic (**** Buttons, Blanck Mass, Chrome Sparks), Hip-Hop (Doomtree, Kendrick, Jeezy), Jazz (Coltrane, Kamasi Washington), some Doom/Drone/Noise (Sunn o))), GOG, Ural Umbo)

 

400i: Rock/Punk (Wavves, Surfer Blood, Fidlar), Most Metal (Leviathan, Bloodbath, Sleep, Monolord, Between the Buried and Me), Acoustic Guitar (J Mascis, Bon Iver), Pop/R&B (T-Swift, Purity Ring, Frank Ocean)

 

Most of my listening is usually some sort of metal and I tend to go with the 400i because guitars sound more full and aggressive than on the 400.

The HE-400 was one of my favorite headphones of all time, so I am glad you are enjoying them! I do think they work quite well as a 'fun' compliment to a more neutral-orientated pair of headphones. I had the HE-400 + Q701 combo for a while (still listened more to the HE-400) before upgrading to the HE-560 + HE-400 combo (still used the HE-400 on occasion). Only sold them after I acquired the LCD-X (but even then it was really hard to let them go!).

 

My first truly audiophile level quality headphones and will always hold a special place in my heart! :)

post #20202 of 20203
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The HE-400 was one of my favorite headphones of all time, so I am glad you are enjoying them! I do think they work quite well as a 'fun' compliment to a more neutral-orientated pair of headphones. I had the HE-400 + Q701 combo for a while (still listened more to the HE-400) before upgrading to the HE-560 + HE-400 combo (still used the HE-400 on occasion). Only sold them after I acquired the LCD-X (but even then it was really hard to let them go!).

 

My first truly audiophile level quality headphones and will always hold a special place in my heart! :)

Yeah the 400 was my first as well, I've had them since October. Just got the 400i but they are exactly what I'm looking for sound signature-wise for more aggressive and guitar based music. Guitars sound more crisp and detailed and much more present.

 

Thought I was going to sell the 400 but I think I'll try modding them.

post #20203 of 20203
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Yeah the 400 was my first as well, I've had them since October. Just got the 400i but they are exactly what I'm looking for sound signature-wise for more aggressive and guitar based music. Guitars sound more crisp and detailed and much more present.

 

Thought I was going to sell the 400 but I think I'll try modding them.

I was thinking the same way about selling the HE-400 once I got the HE-400i and HE-560, but all three have different enough sounds that I ended up keeping all three.  I've done most of the mods for the HE-400 (grill, custom build head band, metal ring/seal, velour and focus pads, shelf liner) which make it a really great sounding headphone for certain types of music as you have started to find.

Hope you keep enjoying them like me.

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