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post #19996 of 20004
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

^^^^^^ What he said -

 

The first thing is to spend $10 bucks for the velours.

 

Then, put on some damn good Jazz Music. The HE-400 will, I bet, blow away the Senns. It takes time to appreciate the speed and texture of the Planars - at least a couple weeks. Jazz is what revealed to me their bass texture and higher resolution, then electronic stuff with lots o' bass showed me how much the bass of the HE-400 is really in another league vs. dynamics.

 

Also, congratulations! You are now probably the 1 millionth person that has come on here "underwhelmed" by the HE-400s yo just bought. Don't worry, like most of us, you are going to see the light eventually and realize these things are actually tons of fun.

 

The HE-400 are not forgiving headphones and they have resonance issues which IMO is the worst aspect overall - the FR is fine and the "treble spike" so often fixated on is pretty moot except for the occasional track. In any case, a simple 2-3dB cut is approximately all I've ever needed to cure that little issue.

 

I use mine with the O2/ODAC and the pairing is excellent. Unfortunately most of the recordings that may be tolerable to you on lessor phones probably sound horrible on the HE-400s. Garbage in - Garbage out. Its just true - too many albums I own are awesome but unfortunately just don't sound all that great.

 

I'm just going to send them back while I still can honestly. If my musical selection is not compatible with them then I'd just as soon grab a headphone which works for what I like rather than have to switch music to suit the headphones. I tried them with many different genres though, just to test them out and I just didn't care for the sound at all. Keep in mind, I didn't try them out on trash. I tried them with FLAC and 320kbps MP3. I couldn't stand the sound of the MoFi Beck - Sea Change album through them. I don't think that album can be placed in the "garbage" category! It's one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard and I love it, but I actually found it unbearable due to the unnatural sound the HE-400 produced. I also use the O2/ODAC btw.

 

Honestly, everything sounded significantly more natural in my HD-600's. I find that I can focus on any part of the music with them and nothing is thrown in my face in a harsh manner. The HE-400 sounds darker, and yet it has this section of the FR curve which is in my face, scraping away at my ear drums. The velour earpads probably help the HE-400, but I just don't find the FR curve to be to my liking and I'm not convinced that their character will change that drastically with the different pads. The reason I'm fixating on that odd spike is that it is not a moot point with any of my music. I find it physically uncomfortable and distracting. Perhaps I am just very sensitive to this frequency, but it is physically uncomfortable to me. I notice it in every single song I've heard and EQing just seems to make them sound even more unnatural and withdrawn. I could not EQ them to my satisfaction honestly. Plus, I don't find them all that comfortable anyway. 

 

I prefer the HD-600 so much that I would never use the HE-400's for any purpose. Hopefully that doesn't upset people, but it is my experience so far. I also don't actually find the bass lacking on the HD-600. It doesn't extend quite as low as the HE-400, but I find the quality of the bass on the HD-600 to be spectacular. I am able to pick out bass notes clearly and precisely and I find it quite natural sounding, just without as much sub bass performance. Plus, my M50x's have plenty of that ear thumping punch if I really want it. I'm probably going to try the HD-650 out a second headphone so I can have a slightly different sound from a headphone I already love and my fiancee can also enjoy them.   

 

This isn't a knock on anyone who likes the HE-400, I just don't. I think that some headphones just don't sound right to some people. I find it odd that there are people who don't like the HD-600, but they are definitely out there. My personal preference is toward the sound of the HD-600. I find that it sounds good with every genre because of its natural sound and the fact that it doesn't overemphasize anything too much. It also works really well for movies, shows, games, etc. I tried the HE-400's for these purposes as well and was disappointed because again they did not sound natural to me. Even $1000+ headphones have people who love them and people who hate them. Much of it is about personal preference. The good thing is that I know a little more about my own preferences as a result of this experience.


Edited by shawtuw - Yesterday at 1:06 pm
post #19997 of 20004
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Originally Posted by Radiograph View Post

Hi!

I am just throwing in some beginner questions and are btw having a great time reading all tweaks, impressions and all the other hifi good stuff!
I have started the hifi journey and are starting with LYR 2 + Bitfrost USB and ofc HE-400. Am i missing something here or should i just buy it with the next payment? Its probably a 1000 dollar budget so my next question is, should i buy other hifimans and get even better sq i general out of the bucks, or are the 400's gonna entertain me for a couple of years? I have listened to the 400's in the audiostore and was impressed but are a little afraid the audiostore used the best equipment for driving out the best sound, and it will sound different(worse) when i set up the equipment for my self. I mainly use mu pc as source. I understand that i have to buy the velours so thats a check. Again can i get even better/more crystall sound, firm/texturized bass and so on with a different hifiman's? Just so we are clear this is my first post and i am so in love with the 400's after listening to them.

Looking forward to your reply!

honestly, the bifrost and lyr 2 is extreme overkill for the he-400. however, if you ever want to upgrade to another planar magnetic headphone, you will not need to change out your dac/amp. they can power everything inder the sun except the he6. there are different equipment synergies that ppl here like to talk abt a lot, but rly its very subjective and only is like the last fine tuning of your sound.

in my personal experience, the most significant sonic changes you will find in this hobby is improving your source files to at least 320kbps mp3 or better and then finding headphones w a sound signature that you really enjoy. with headphones, there are extreme diminishing returns as you climb up the price ladder and usually the really just depends on your personal sound sig preferences which is the best fit. there is no one size fits all type recommendation. i wld recommend trying out as many different headphones as you can and writing down what you liked/disliked abt them to get a better sense of what you like and what you are really looking for.

after that, just enjoy the music. you can spend a lot of money on this hobby and never be satisfied or find a very high end sounding setup at a very good price. really best advice i can give you is just listen to things for yourself rather than relying on other people's opinions. we all have different preferences and hear things differently.

welcome & have fun! smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by money4me247 - Yesterday at 3:02 pm
post #19998 of 20004

Thx for fast reply! And thx for the reminder :) Its so easy for me to get a little hung up in other peoples thoughts here on the forum. I liked the he-400 very much and are going for it (i think). Btw the reason for buying LYR 2 was because it was the amp the audiostore used, so i thought to recreate the sound as much as possible i should go for the same equipment? Anyways thx for some basic tips.

post #19999 of 20004
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Originally Posted by Radiograph View Post

Thx for fast reply! And thx for the reminder smily_headphones1.gif Its so easy for me to get a little hung up in other peoples thoughts here on the forum. I liked the he-400 very much and are going for it (i think). Btw the reason for buying LYR 2 was because it was the amp the audiostore used, so i thought to recreate the sound as much as possible i should go for the same equipment? Anyways thx for some basic tips.

glad to be helpful. the lyr 2 is an excellent amplifier. i have it myself and it is one of my personal favorites. just be careful of the money hole you start digging if you try out tube rolling. tubes can get rly pricy very quickly. after spending too much time on the forums, you start getting a skewed sense of what is an appropriate amount of money to spend in this hobby. always smtg new or nice around the corner that you can upgrade to or want to try out.
post #20000 of 20004
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post

 

 

Then, put on some damn good Jazz Music. The HE-400 will, I bet, blow away the Senns. It takes time to appreciate the speed and texture of the Planars - at least a couple weeks. Jazz is what revealed to me their bass texture and higher resolution, then electronic stuff with lots o' bass showed me how much the bass of the HE-400 is really in another league vs. dynamics.

 

Dave Brubeck quartet "Take Five" was the deal clencher for me. Listening to that in the HE400's and hearing every metallic quiver of the cymbal bell, and then going back to any other headphone in my collection, including the HD650's, was like stuffing cotton into my ears. As a drummer I've never been happy with recorded drumsounds because they always lack the dynamics and the clarity of playing in person. The 400's have the punch and subsonics to make a kick 'kick', and the speed and clarity to make a cymbal sizzle instead of sounding like white noise.

post #20001 of 20004
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Originally Posted by Radiograph View Post
 

Thx for fast reply! And thx for the reminder :) Its so easy for me to get a little hung up in other peoples thoughts here on the forum. I liked the he-400 very much and are going for it (i think). Btw the reason for buying LYR 2 was because it was the amp the audiostore used, so i thought to recreate the sound as much as possible i should go for the same equipment? Anyways thx for some basic tips.

 

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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post


glad to be helpful. the lyr 2 is an excellent amplifier. i have it myself and it is one of my personal favorites. just be careful of the money hole you start digging if you try out tube rolling. tubes can get rly pricy very quickly. after spending too much time on the forums, you start getting a skewed sense of what is an appropriate amount of money to spend in this hobby. always smtg new or nice around the corner that you can upgrade to or want to try out.


As money4me247 said, tube rolling gets pricy very quickly, for me I spent more than double the cost of the Lyr2 on tubes, finally stop buying after finding 3 sets that work with all my headphones to my preferred sound.

You might want to read some in the Lyr/Lyr2 tube rolling thread for an idea as to how certain tubes sound but in the end it is what sounds good to you is the most important.

post #20002 of 20004

Had no idea it could get that expensive. I find it a bit odd the guys at the audiostore didnt give me a heads up for this, so thanx for the heads up! And i will read in the Lyr section. Looking forward to it!

post #20003 of 20004
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Originally Posted by Radiograph View Post

Had no idea it could get that expensive. I find it a bit odd the guys at the audiostore didnt give me a heads up for this, so thanx for the heads up! And i will read in the Lyr section. Looking forward to it!

u dont need to upgrade tubes, i have my lyr 2 w their stock tubes and i enjoy it. just w this hobby, there is always another fun rabbit hole to explore if u are so inclined.
post #20004 of 20004
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Originally Posted by Radiograph View Post
 

Had no idea it could get that expensive. I find it a bit odd the guys at the audiostore didnt give me a heads up for this, so thanx for the heads up! And i will read in the Lyr section. Looking forward to it!

I would think the Lyr2 at the dealer probably had the stock tubes so I think you will have something that sounds good to you to start and you my not need to do any tube rolling.  I lived with the stock tubes for 6 months before getting new ones because the stock tubes just didn't sound right with my HD-700 and HE-560.

Good Luck!

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