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post #1966 of 17954
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post


So I'm getting a full refund for my HE400s, authorized by Fang himself

 

Best man ever.

post #1967 of 17954
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

The HD650 is quite spectacular, isn't it? smily_headphones1.gif
So I'm getting a full refund for my HE400s, authorized by Fang himself. I don't like being such a pain in the ass, but I don't think I was in the wrong here. I'll be sending them back tomorrow. Gotta vote tonight. I have to hand it to Ms. T, she went above and beyond to make things right, even though TECHNICALLY I am outside of the return period. I just think if someone has to send a defective product back to the manufacturer, they shouldn't be penalized for that. The wait alone is bad enough.

It's weird; I specifically asked them when the thirty days began and was told "the day I receive them".

 

Glad to hear you got a good result in the end.

post #1968 of 17954
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I'll have to hear the LCD2 with vegan pads at some point. I can't believe I've waited so long to hear the HD650. What a damn waste. They are just LOVELY.

 

+1 me too...I waited a long time and wished that I hadn't. They are just wonderful!!

post #1969 of 17954
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Seriously. I pay a LOT of attention to treble. I have heard plenty of headphones that sound horrible because of a lack of treble *cough*XB500*cough*, but I have absolutely ZERO issues with the treble on the HD650s. In fact, I WISH the DT990s had the HD650's treble.
The HE400's treble is definitely peaky in comparison. The HE400 does have the HD650 beat in that speaker-like presentation and energy. Matt wasn't kidding when he said they make great compliments to one another.
In a perfect wold, I'd own just the HD650 and HE400 (assuming the HE400 had the bass emphasis the 990's have).

 

And who do you think convinced Matt they're good complements? ph34r.gif

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Now we've concluded that you like a neutral treble, a strong bass, and realistic mids.  You also like open with velours so your ears don't get hot.  Still sounds like LCD-2 with velour pads is your end-game, despite your waffle-maker comments about them.  :)

 

Or HE-6.... biggrin.gif  The upper treble on HE-6 may be a little energized, but well outside the fatiguing 8kHz range that makes HD800 infamous.  There's a 1.5kHz spike that may or may not be bothersome.  But generally they're remarkably even and have bass to die for.  So long as you feed them relatively significant power ( > Lyr)  cool.gif  Otherwise, yeah, maybe LCD-2.  Or TH900....MLE's a big V-curve fan wink.gif

 

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I haven't heard the HD600/HD650 yet. But that's soon to change, as I ordered the HD600 recently to compare to the HE400 that is also on the way soon (second time trying). I am expecting a "veil", but purely based upon the HD598 that I've had a bit of time with. That thing sounds, well, veiled in the treble. It literally sounds like a curtain is between you and the band playing on-stage. Granted, it was out of a Fiio E7, which might've been a poor pairing.

That said, I wanted to try the HD600 now that I have a decent amp, since from what I've read I'll probably like the HD600 more than the HD650 as I tend to prefer a slightly more neutral bass presentation (e.g. I don't like DT990 or PS500). I'll match them against the HE400 and a Wood Magnum V4 Build already on its way (international shipping). All these headphones are roughly in the $400 price range, and should all be quite different. To top it all off, I'll be borrowing a pair of HE500 to throw in the mix of comparisons. I'm stoked!

I expect to like the HE500 best. And that's based primarily on this: I really loved everything about the HE400 when I tried it, except the mids / vocals. From what I've read, HE500 is similar but with better mids. Not sure what to expect from the Magnum V4 Build and the HD600, as I've had no exposure to either yet!

 

I'd say any Sennheiser "HD" series, out of a Fiio-anything with the exception of maybe E9 is probably a bad match.  HD650 sounds ok out of E11, but it's not up to its potential.  But still, HD598 is....well...yuck.  HD600/650 are a different league IMO. The price point may not indicate that, but the SQ does biggrin.gif

post #1970 of 17954
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I've been reading all the posts in this thread. Though sometimes when I check after a couple of hours, there are more than 125 unread posts. That drives me nuts.

 

On the other note.... I usually listen to flac and proper ACDs/SACDs. But I do have a more than few mp3s. Who doesn't? :P But seeing that you greatly benefited from using the amp for uncompressed music and also considering that most of my collection is uncompressed, maybe I should buy an amp.

 

Any thoughts on DACs?


If by "uncompressed" collection you mean that you are listening to high dynamic range recording, I am sure a decent amp will improve performance overall, mainly by providing additional volume which might not be possible right now.

 

I would consider a DAC if you felt that the one you use currently (in your computer), to be brief, sucked. Mine sounds very good to my ears, everything is realistic, and it can handle up to a blu-ray format (24-bit 192 khz). That said, the overwhelming amount of music out there is still 16-bit 44.1 khz. Unless you have a DAC which is noisy I am not sure its worth it. Your ears "can't" necesarily hear the difference between different DACs. There may be an advantage however, in removing all the sound processing from your computer. In my case, there are a few static pops and some hissing at very high volume under some conditions. But that is a 1% observation, and not really a problem to be solved.

 

I'd probably withhold from investing in a DAC until you are satisfied that you have the power and the sound you want. I wouldn't buy one that didn't spec relatively well, or better than my amp. The goal is to maximize Signal to Noise, channel separation, and so on. Also, most DACs I see so far, tailored to headphones, don't even put out much line voltage. I wouldn't settle for less than about 2Vrms, which I think could help maximize signal to noise and drive amps well. In my case, I may spring for an ODAC later which is the match to my new O2 amp. My knock against it is that it can accept USB or USB+RCA, but it lacks a digital input. This limits its applications a bit, which I don't prefer. It is also $150 bucks, which is a lot. I may instead just shop for a CD player or something which can do the same job.

post #1971 of 17954

It may be noob question cause actually i am noob :) 

 

I bought HE400 and I'm looking for amp for further development. But i really don't know the difference between headphone amps and stereo amps. 

For example i can buy Denon DRA 435R stereo amp ~ 200 USD. Is is good enough to use it with HE400 or is it necessary (or much more better) to buy headphone amp indeed ? 

post #1972 of 17954
Huh....

I just realized something. The HD650 is so finely tuned, that it's the only headphone where I NOTICE a change in tonal balance when I use my SA-31's warmth jumpers (adding them warms up the sound). I didn't really notice the effect with the 990s. The jumpers made the HD650 too warm. So OFF they go. No jumpers for me. biggrin.gif

They sound spot on with the SA-31 at it's default.

BTW,

This song is ABSOLUTE torture on every headphone I have ever owned, EXCEPT the HD650, so I guess there is some obvious treble smoothening, because the treble on that song is painful every other time.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/6/12 at 12:05pm
post #1973 of 17954

Can somebody describe how the HE400's mids perform, but not in comparison to the HD650 since we all know it beats the HE400 there. Like if i was to live with the HE400 as my sole headphone forever, would i notice anything particularly wrong it?

 

It's just that all the sweet talk of the HD650 and its mids has me doubting my HE400 purchase. 

post #1974 of 17954
No. I LOVE the HE400's mids. They're very natural. They're not forward or recessed to my ears. They're well in tune with the rest of the sound spectrum. They're not missing much, honestly. The only other headphone I have owned where I could say I thought the mids were better, was the ESW9 (which had overly smooth treble, IMHO).

Don't worry about the HE400's mids. They're stellar. If they were more forward, you'd lose that good bass they have.

If I could only own ONE, the HE400 >>>>>> HD650. The HE400 is between what I want that my 990 has, and what the HD650 has. So yes, they're the best all rounder I have owned. The only reason I'd keep the HD650 over the HE400 is because I already have the 990 for my bassy, and energetic music needs. The HE400 doesn't have as much bass for me, but if it did, the HE400 would be the ONLY can I'd need.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/6/12 at 12:13pm
post #1975 of 17954
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

No. I LOVE the HE400's mids. They're very natural. They're not forward or recessed to my ears. They're well in tune with the rest of the sound spectrum. They're not missing much, honestly. The only other headphone I have owned where I could say I thought the mids were better, was the ESW9 (which had overly smooth treble, IMHO).
Don't worry about the HE400's mids. They're stellar. If they were more forward, you'd lose that good bass they have.
If I could only own ONE, the HE400 >>>>>> HD650. The HE400 is between what I want that my 990 has, and what the HD650 has. So yes, they're the best all rounder I have owned. The only reason I'd keep the HD650 over the HE400 is because I already have the 990 for my bassy, and energetic music needs. The HE400 doesn't have as much bass for me, but if it did, the HE400 would be the ONLY can I'd need.

 

Ah thanks for that. Confidence restored biggrin.gif

post #1976 of 17954

I love the mids on the he-400.

 

The absolute only problem with them that I have is that the treble can be harsh on a couple songs. Really on only 3-4 songs that I've found so far. Although I think my ears might be more sensitive than normal to those frequencies.

post #1977 of 17954
Trust me, I miss my HE400. I just can't justify having the 990 and HE400 at the same time. The HD650 has it's special place for it's mids and warmth, but I wouldn't use them as my main music can. I prefer more energy. The HE400 is more energetic and engaging for me.
post #1978 of 17954
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Can somebody describe how the HE400's mids perform, but not in comparison to the HD650 since we all know it beats the HE400 there. Like if i was to live with the HE400 as my sole headphone forever, would i notice anything particularly wrong it?

 

It's just that all the sweet talk of the HD650 and its mids has me doubting my HE400 purchase. 

Well, I can tell you that personally, the reason I didn't keep the HE-400 last time I tried it was because of the mids. They were just too dark for my tastes. Everything else about them, however, I loved. Especially the instrument separation and imaging.

But, that was out of the NuForce Icon HD which gave it about 280mW. I'm going to try the HE-400 again with the NFB-15.1, which will give it about 2.5W. I'm not expecting a big difference, but we'll see. I may keep the HE-400 despite its mids, unless I happen to like the HD600, Magnum V4, or HE-500 better.

post #1979 of 17954
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

Well, I can tell you that personally, the reason I didn't keep the HE-400 last time I tried it was because of the mids. They were just too dark for my tastes. Everything else about them, however, I loved. Especially the instrument separation and imaging.

But, that was out of the NuForce Icon HD which gave it about 280mW. I'm going to try the HE-400 again with the NFB-15.1, which will give it about 2.5W. I'm not expecting a big difference, but we'll see. I may keep the HE-400 despite its mids, unless I happen to like the HD600, Magnum V4, or HE-500 better.

 

Thanks for your input. Could you explain what you mean my dark mids? I've been here a while but im not totally up to terms with all the audiophile lingo.

post #1980 of 17954
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Thanks for your input. Could you explain what you mean my dark mids? I've been here a while but im not totally up to terms with all the audiophile lingo.

I have trouble explaining dark mids. Well, for starters, they're not forward, which means vocals will lack a sense of immediacy and brightness, so to speak. This makes them seem a bit more distant, but I never got the impression that the HE-400's mids were recessed. Recessed mids just sound bad, the HE-400's mids do not sound bad, by any means. Don't get me wrong. They just lack a bit of energy and immediacy.

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