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post #1951 of 18107
I mentioned I don't like to EQ. If the headphone doesn't have what I want in stock form, I don't wanna mess wityh it with EQ. All my sources won't have EQ available, and I feel like I'm cheating by using one.
post #1952 of 18107
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I mentioned I don't like to EQ. If the headphone doesn't have what I want in stock form, I don't wanna mess wityh it with EQ. All my sources won't have EQ available, and I feel like I'm cheating by using one.

I don't keep up with this thread, apologies. I thought you loved the HE-400?

As I remember it, you were on of the biggest cheerleaders of the HE-400.

post #1953 of 18107

Just a honeymoon period.  You might check on this thread in a couple months and maybe see him being the HE-400's #1 supporter again after he's tired of the DT990s.  Or who knows, he might go in a completely different direction if he really likes the way the HD650s sound.

post #1954 of 18107
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Just a honeymoon period.  You might check on this thread in a couple months and maybe see him being the HE-400's #1 supporter again after he's tired of the DT990s.  Or who knows, he might go in a completely different direction if he really likes the way the HD650s sound.

I initially thought it may have something to do with all the "revisions", but again,

I haven't followed up on the thread and so I didn't know if he'd even tried any other's

or just stuck with the 1 tried and true.

post #1955 of 18107
First impression on the HD650 (music only)...

It's GREAT! If there is a veil, I'm definitely not hearing it. Treble is plentiful for me, the vocals are oh so lovely, and it has a very natural tone. More natural than the Q701.

The bass is nice too! It's not as fun as the DT990, but it's definitely nice. The main star is definitely those mids.

I'm absolutely, completely, and pleasantly surprised. I really thought I wouldn't like them. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Don't have the HE400 to compare, but I can tell the HD650 has better mids, and the treble doesn't get peaky like it did on the HE400.

That being said, if I could only own one headphone between the two, I prefer the HE400 overall. It has that planar goodness that the HD650 can't capture.

For my own use though, the HD650 makes a better complimentary can to the DT990 than the HE400. Those mids are special. The HE400 can't touch the HD650 there.

And yes, I absolutely LOVE the HE400. That honeymoon never ended. It's my 2nd fave can after the D7000. I just have very particular needs that neither the D7000 nor the HE400 fulfilled completely. The 990 has the bass I want, and the HD650 has the natural sound, and lovely vocals. The D7000 was too hot and sticky, and the HE400 was nearly perfect just missing a bit on bass for my music needs, and vocals while great, aren't as good as the HD650's.

Oh yes, the HD650 is the most beautiful headphone I have owned (outside of the ES7).
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/6/12 at 10:37am
post #1956 of 18107
The HD650 is quite spectacular, isn't it? smily_headphones1.gif


So I'm getting a full refund for my HE400s, authorized by Fang himself. I don't like being such a pain in the ass, but I don't think I was in the wrong here. I'll be sending them back tomorrow. Gotta vote tonight. I have to hand it to Ms. T, she went above and beyond to make things right, even though TECHNICALLY I am outside of the return period. I just think if someone has to send a defective product back to the manufacturer, they shouldn't be penalized for that. The wait alone is bad enough.
post #1957 of 18107
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First impression on the HD650 (music only)...
It's GREAT! If there is a veil, I'm definitely not hearing it. Treble is plentiful for me, the vocals are oh so lovely, and it has a very natural tone. More natural than the Q701.
The bass is nice too! It's not as fun as the DT990, but it's definitely nice. The main star is definitely those mids.
I'm absolutely, completely, and pleasantly surprised. I really thought I wouldn't like them. I couldn't have been more wrong.
Don't have the HE400 to compare, but I can tell the HD650 has better mids, and the treble doesn't get peaky like it did on the HE400.
That being said, if I could only own one headphone between the two, I prefer the HE400 overall. It has that planar goodness that the HD650 can't capture.
For my own use though, the HD650 makes a better complimentary can to the DT990 than the HE400. Those mids are special. The HE400 can't touch the HD650 there.
And yes, I absolutely LOVE the HE400. That honeymoon never ended. It's my 2nd fave can after the D7000. I just have very particular needs that neither the D7000 nor the HE400 fulfilled completely. The 990 has the bass I want, and the HD650 has the natural sound, and lovely vocals. The D7000 was too hot and sticky, and the HE400 was nearly perfect just missing a bit on bass for my music needs, and vocals while great, aren't as good as the HD650's.

Sounds like you like a bumped mid-bass. I did try the DT990, but found its mid-bass was a bit too much for my taste. HE-400's bass is really flat. So maybe that's what you're craving?

post #1958 of 18107
Yes... I wouldn't own them alone (I still prefer the 990s for most things), but they are AMAZING, balanced, and the most natural sounding headphone I have ever heard.

Biscuitz, yes. I prefer a stronger emphasis on bass than what the HE400 has.
post #1959 of 18107

See, I never knew why everybody says the HD650 has a veil.  It has no veil.  Zero.  None.  Maybe lacking some air in the 14khz range, but that's not what a veil is.

post #1960 of 18107
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I mentioned I don't like to EQ. If the headphone doesn't have what I want in stock form, I don't wanna mess wityh it with EQ. All my sources won't have EQ available, and I feel like I'm cheating by using one.

 

This is where "hi-fi" audio separates from pro-audio mentality (or even speakers to a large degree.)   In pro, the ideal gear is a near-flat source, near-flat amp, near-flat speaker.  Then you EQ to correct the room and the equipment anomalies to bring it to dead-flat, and then apply further EQ to customise the signature.  In hi-fi everyone ones the EQ pre-done on the gear to suit their needs.  Of course with headphones, the FRs are so all over the board that few headphones really handle being EQ'd very well, and HE-400 is not one of the shining examples in that department.  It helps, but it's not perfect. 

 

Though I hear you with not all sources having EQ available, and that does present an issue.  But I don't consider EQ "cheating" so much as adding another layer of control to the system. 

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Just a honeymoon period.  You might check on this thread in a couple months and maybe see him being the HE-400's #1 supporter again after he's tired of the DT990s.  Or who knows, he might go in a completely different direction if he really likes the way the HD650s sound.

 

MLE should just admit it.  He needs TH-900..... evil_smiley.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

First impression on the HD650 (music only)...
It's GREAT! If there is a veil, I'm definitely not hearing it. Treble is plentiful for me, the vocals are oh so lovely, and it has a very natural tone. More natural than the Q701.
The bass is nice too! It's not as fun as the DT990, but it's definitely nice. The main star is definitely those mids.
I'm absolutely, completely, and pleasantly surprised. I really thought I wouldn't like them. I couldn't have been more wrong.
Don't have the HE400 to compare, but I can tell the HD650 has better mids, and the treble doesn't get peaky like it did on the HE400.
That being said, if I could only own one headphone between the two, I prefer the HE400 overall. It has that planar goodness that the HD650 can't capture.
For my own use though, the HD650 makes a better complimentary can to the DT990 than the HE400. Those mids are special. The HE400 can't touch the HD650 there.
And yes, I absolutely LOVE the HE400. That honeymoon never ended. It's my 2nd fave can after the D7000. I just have very particular needs that neither the D7000 nor the HE400 fulfilled completely.

 

Your impressions of HD650 seem spot on to me!  In terms of "planar goodness" I also agree somewhat, though I think the presentation of each has different strengths and weaknesses.  It depends on genre.  HD650 just can't do classical piano with half the justice HE-400 gives it.  HE-400 just can't do world music with half the justice HD650 gives it.  That's a hard contest between those two....

post #1961 of 18107
Seriously. I pay a LOT of attention to treble. I have heard plenty of headphones that sound horrible because of a lack of treble *cough*XB500*cough*, but I have absolutely ZERO issues with the treble on the HD650s. In fact, I WISH the DT990s had the HD650's treble.

The HE400's treble is definitely peaky in comparison. The HE400 does have the HD650 beat in that speaker-like presentation and energy. Matt wasn't kidding when he said they make great compliments to one another.

In a perfect wold, I'd own just the HD650 and HE400 (assuming the HE400 had the bass emphasis the 990's have).
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/6/12 at 10:50am
post #1962 of 18107

Now we've concluded that you like a neutral treble, a strong bass, and realistic mids.  You also like open with velours so your ears don't get hot.  Still sounds like LCD-2 with velour pads is your end-game, despite your waffle-maker comments about them.  :)

post #1963 of 18107
I'll have to hear the LCD2 with vegan pads at some point. I can't believe I've waited so long to hear the HD650. What a damn waste. They are just LOVELY.
post #1964 of 18107
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

See, I never knew why everybody says the HD650 has a veil.  It has no veil.  Zero.  None.  Maybe lacking some air in the 14khz range, but that's not what a veil is.

I haven't heard the HD600/HD650 yet. But that's soon to change, as I ordered the HD600 recently to compare to the HE400 that is also on the way soon (second time trying). I am expecting a "veil", but purely based upon the HD598 that I've had a bit of time with. That thing sounds, well, veiled in the treble. It literally sounds like a curtain is between you and the band playing on-stage. Granted, it was out of a Fiio E7, which might've been a poor pairing.

That said, I wanted to try the HD600 now that I have a decent amp, since from what I've read I'll probably like the HD600 more than the HD650 as I tend to prefer a slightly more neutral bass presentation (e.g. I don't like DT990 or PS500). I'll match them against the HE400 and a Wood Magnum V4 Build already on its way (international shipping). All these headphones are roughly in the $400 price range, and should all be quite different. To top it all off, I'll be borrowing a pair of HE500 to throw in the mix of comparisons. I'm stoked!

I expect to like the HE500 best. And that's based primarily on this: I really loved everything about the HE400 when I tried it, except the mids / vocals. From what I've read, HE500 is similar but with better mids. Not sure what to expect from the Magnum V4 Build and the HD600, as I've had no exposure to either yet!

post #1965 of 18107
Odd. I though the HD598 was TOO prominent in the mid to upper range. That thing was too analytical for me. It was like a baby K701 with just a bit more musicality. At least the pair I had. I didn't find them veiled at all. A bit too revealing, actually.

As for the HE500, I know I wouldn't like the bass, if it had less than the HE400. For $700... I'll take the HD650 for half that price as my lovely mids headphone, and the DT990 as my jamming bass and treble one.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/6/12 at 10:57am
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