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post #196 of 18339

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

 

It won't be me!! Where did you get that case from ? eek.gif

 

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=118

 

It looks like that one. I was seriously contemplating getting these with my velour pads, but I held off. It's $40 shipped for me. A bit pricey... 


Edited by option12 - 4/26/12 at 6:39pm
post #197 of 18339

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

NM...

 

http://www.head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=118#

 

BTW...this should come with the he400's instead of that crappy velvet bag that isn't big enough to comfortably fit the HE-400s !!

 

Corrected for you.  wink.gif

post #198 of 18339
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Corrected for you.  wink.gif

 

lol..you are right about that brother.

post #199 of 18339

Thanks for the nice review. I guess I may be in some disagreement here. Sorry if this is a bit off topic. Even though I haven't tried HE-400, I own the bigger brother HE-500 and also DT990 Pro 250 Ohm and used to have stock D2000. I I find my DT990 Pro has better separation and better imaging ability than my HE-500 out of my HM-601 headphone out as well as Fiio E11 via HM-601 line out. I suppose HE-500 is underpowered with this setup because I do find DT990 preferable to HE-500 with this source in many cases. I also found the bass quality of the stock D2000, while very good, to be somewhat lacking compared to DT990 pro low end, again out of the HM-601 and Fiio E11. In particular, I found D2000 somewhat boomy in the bass and while it was able to reach very deep, it lacked authority. The DT990, on the other hand, has a very well controlled low end that is almost as well extended as D2000, but also tighter, faster and more textured. Overall, I find DT990 technically superior to stock D2000 in almost all aspects including speed, clarity, imaging and resolution. The pro DT990 may be different sounding from DT990 premium, but from what I read the differences are minimal.

 

HE-400 is a step down from HE-500, but I suppose it is also easier to drive and may sound better than HE-500 out of low end sources. However, it seems to me that well designed dynamics are not necessarily inferior to well designed planars, at least that is my experience when comparing DT990 pro and HE-500. Just different strokes for different folks. Orthos tend to have a smoother, more laid back sound that is easier on the ears, are faster and also tend to have better clarity than dynamics, but a well designed, open back dynamic driver can come very close to a good Ortho in technical ability while also providing a different flavor to the sound with a more aggressive presentation that some, including myself, may prefer IMO.

post #200 of 18339

I don't really know.  I've tried my best to like the HD650 and DT990, but ultimately they both ended up falling short for me.  Transient wise, I think both are very good, and DT990's soundstaging is best I've ever heard aside from HD800.  I really can't agree on the DT990's bass extension though.  It has a decently impactful mid-bass, but its sub-bass isn't that powerful at all, nothing in comparison to a Denon.  HE-400 and I assume other planar magnetics are the closest thing any open can will get to a Denon sub-bass.

 

The soundstaging of the DT990 is about the only thing I miss.

 

You're not the first person to say the DT990's sub-bass was very impactful and that it was majority sub-bass compared to mid-bass, while others even went as far as to say the Denons were majority mid-bass.  I'm not sure if it's differnece in amp/sources or just differences in the way people listen to music.


Edited by TMRaven - 4/26/12 at 8:47pm
post #201 of 18339

 

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I don't really know.  I've tried my best to like the HD650 and DT990, but ultimately they both ended up falling short for me.  Transient wise, I think both are very good, and DT990's soundstaging is best I've ever heard aside from HD800.  I really can't agree on the DT990's bass extension though.  It has a decently impactful mid-bass, but its sub-bass isn't that powerful at all, nothing in comparison to a Denon.  HE-400 and I assume other planar magnetics are the closest thing any open can will get to a Denon sub-bass.

 

The soundstaging of the DT990 is about the only thing I miss.

 

You're not the first person to say the DT990's sub-bass was very impactful and that it was majority sub-bass compared to mid-bass, while others even went as far as to say the Denons were majority mid-bass.  I'm not sure if it's differnece in amp/sources or just differences in the way people listen to music.

 

Easiest ways to test these things would just be to do a sinewave generator sweep across the bass frequencies.

 

I use SineGen. My HE400's have ruler-flat bass response / energy all the way across until it starts a gentle rolloff at 33 Hz, then a steep rolloff at 26 Hz down to about 21 Hz before I can't hear anything any more.

post #202 of 18339

About the case, yeah I won't be carrying my HE-400 that much either, but it's a nice little place to store them on the computer desk when not in use.  Beforehand I was just putting them on the table with microfiber underneath.  Guess a good quality headphone stand is in store next, huh?  Although I think I have enough woodworking skill to make my own.

post #203 of 18339

the dt 990s didn't have a whole lot of sub-bass, but the low bass is pretty good and its definitely a bassier headphone than most.

 

the denons have noticeably more sub-bass, about the same low bass (slightly more loose and less controlled but still very good)

 

i used the WA6-SE to power the denons and the WA2 for the DT-990 when i had them.

 

i have since upgradded to the d7000 and the T1.

post #204 of 18339
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

Thanks for the nice review. I guess I may be in some disagreement here. Sorry if this is a bit off topic. Even though I haven't tried HE-400, I own the bigger brother HE-500 and also DT990 Pro 250 Ohm and used to have stock D2000. I I find my DT990 Pro has better separation and better imaging ability than my HE-500 out of my HM-601 headphone out as well as Fiio E11 via HM-601 line out. I suppose HE-500 is underpowered with this setup because I do find DT990 preferable to HE-500 with this source in many cases. I also found the bass quality of the stock D2000, while very good, to be somewhat lacking compared to DT990 pro low end, again out of the HM-601 and Fiio E11. In particular, I found D2000 somewhat boomy in the bass and while it was able to reach very deep, it lacked authority. The DT990, on the other hand, has a very well controlled low end that is almost as well extended as D2000, but also tighter, faster and more textured. Overall, I find DT990 technically superior to stock D2000 in almost all aspects including speed, clarity, imaging and resolution. The pro DT990 may be different sounding from DT990 premium, but from what I read the differences are minimal.

 

HE-400 is a step down from HE-500, but I suppose it is also easier to drive and may sound better than HE-500 out of low end sources. However, it seems to me that well designed dynamics are not necessarily inferior to well designed planars, at least that is my experience when comparing DT990 pro and HE-500. Just different strokes for different folks. Orthos tend to have a smoother, more laid back sound that is easier on the ears, are faster and also tend to have better clarity than dynamics, but a well designed, open back dynamic driver can come very close to a good Ortho in technical ability while also providing a different flavor to the sound with a more aggressive presentation that some, including myself, may prefer IMO.

 

We must hear very differently. I listened to dt990's next to the d2k and he400 for several weeks. And I also owned the he500. If the dt990 sounds better across the spectrum you might want to change your amp/dac or just sell the he500 to me biggrin.gif. I really like the dt990. It is a very nice sounding hp with end game comfort, but it was never on par with the he500 or even the he400 for the matter. 

 

The bass on the d2k is as deep with extension and impact as I've heard without bleeding into other parts of the sound signature. While the dt990 has good bass, much better than the dt880, it's simply outclassed by the d2k in this area. That's what I hear anyway.

post #205 of 18339
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I wanted to add that I picked up a replacement headband for the he400. Got a Senheiser band. And it's not that great. It's not easy to attach. I've tried some double sided tape so far and it doesn't hold that well. I'm not sure that I want to use anything like glue that would would damage the original headband. Ideally I'd like to replace the padding inside the headband with something more substantial but since it's sown together I don't think that I'll be doing that.

 

It is more comfortable after the replacement but it's also very thick, requiring that I let the cups almost all the way out to fit my medium sized head. I guess it's back to the drawing board on this one. 

post #206 of 18339
These are some beautiful looking headphones - need more photos!
post #207 of 18339

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I wanted to add that I picked up a replacement headband for the he400. Got a Senheiser band. And it's not that great. It's not easy to attach. I've tried some double sided tape so far and it doesn't hold that well. I'm not sure that I want to use anything like glue that would would damage the original headband. Ideally I'd like to replace the padding inside the headband with something more substantial but since it's sown together I don't think that I'll be doing that.

 

It is more comfortable after the replacement but it's also very thick, requiring that I let the cups almost all the way out to fit my medium sized head. I guess it's back to the drawing board on this one. 

 

Unless your head has an odd shape (no offense), twisting and molding the headband to suit the head contours works very well in removing discomfort.

post #208 of 18339
Thread Starter 

I've done the shaping of the headband, mostly to relieve the clamp. But it's still not very comfortable without more padding due to the weight I suppose.

post #209 of 18339

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

NM...

 

http://www.head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=118#

 

BTW...this should come with the he400's instead of that crappy velvet bag!!

 

That helps to explain why the HE-400 got such a poor packaging all round.

Although price is not bad and it is a bloody good looking case if you ask me.

The HE-400 looks so comfy and cosy though tongue.gif


Edited by willmax - 4/27/12 at 8:51am
post #210 of 18339

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I wanted to add that I picked up a replacement headband for the he400. Got a Senheiser band. And it's not that great. It's not easy to attach. I've tried some double sided tape so far and it doesn't hold that well. I'm not sure that I want to use anything like glue that would would damage the original headband. Ideally I'd like to replace the padding inside the headband with something more substantial but since it's sown together I don't think that I'll be doing that.

 

It is more comfortable after the replacement but it's also very thick, requiring that I let the cups almost all the way out to fit my medium sized head. I guess it's back to the drawing board on this one. 

 

Seriously, what are you doing with your headband that it's digging into your cranium?  Of all the potential points of discomfort I can think of on the HFM designs, the headband is not really one of them.  Actually the worst headband feel I've ever had was the K702 for the first week or two until the flat, stiff leather broke in and curved to my head.  Second worst was HD650 when I didn't have the band adjusted long enough and it crushed into my head.  Short of that, the weight of the headphones isn't really even on the headband.  Adjust the bloody headband wider (move the cups/struts down), stretch the band, and wear the band further toward the front of your head.  You shouldn't feel the headband! evil_smiley.gif

 

Now my ears, jawbone, cheekbone, and the squishy part at my temple....that can be painful at times.  However I'm sensitive enough that even the Denons get me sensitive to that.  And there's nothing more comfortable than them (oh, yes, I took your advice and talked to Malveaux and got some D5000's to complement the HE-400.   Very nice complement.  I still like HE-400 better, but they're VERY different and do vocals and sub-bass oh so well!) )   The Denons should also teach you how you're supposed to position headbands.  The Denon logo should be level, and the band is at a sharp angle...that's generally where any headphone's band should probably be on your head.  Try to achieve that same angle with HE-400 and see how you go.  Due to the weight of HE-400, putting it a little farther back than that may not be a bad idea.

 

The headband withstands some serious punishment.  Don't try to "bend and mold" the headband, just apply some even force to the top arch, the sides of the top arch, and if the cups clamp to much try to pry the areas near where the cups attach wider.  You won't succeed very well.   Also try leaving them stretched over a wide object, very stretched for an hour or two.   A few days of that and they'll loosen up nicely.  I don't want mine stretched any more than they are now. The idea is more about lessening the increasing, very slightly, the radii of the arch and the end tapers, and generally softening the steel a bit so it has less spring tension. 

 

Unless you have a pointy head.  Then grab a hammer and smack the center from the inside tongue_smile.gif

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