Don't you guys think it's odd the velour pads gives better bass than the pleather? Shouldn't pleather be better at bass because it isolates better?
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Velour uses stiffer foam, so theoretically, any energy from the bass should transfer to your cheek and jaw better than with pleather. That's not to say that velour gives mores bass quantity, but perhaps it gives more bass impact.
The pleathers sound the "warmest" to my ears, but they never seemed to give off a sound as balanced as the velours. The warm bass / nuetral-ly treble always sounded a little off, even if it was sometimes pretty enjoyable.
I find the treble spike on these headphones more annoying with the pleather because most of the time its dark then BAM bright treble out of nowhere like an ambush , with the velours you're always getting brighter sound, the bright treble doesn't come as a surprise.
I sort of hate spotify - adds cutting in during album listening can really break up the zen I'm in. It also just doesn't sound EXACTLY as good as my regular Mp3s, be they ripped at 320 or at 192 or even lower. I swear something is going on there - but maybe I am crazy.
Most I just like to go to spotify to check out new releases - I've bought at least a couple of CDs because of that. But then again music is getting confusing with Thom Yorke releasing new stuff independently, and Taylor Swift saying "no" to streaming music entirely. I assume someday I'll need an iTunes account for one band, and a paypal account for another!
I am interested in buying a used HE 400. Could get one for about 230€ including Focus Pads and short custom cable.
As this unit is about 2 years old (so no more warranty), I wonder if anyone has some "long term" experience with these cans?
Are the 400 considered durable? Read few posts where people had driver issues. Is this a common issue (sorry, did not read through all 1230 pages of this thread)?
Looking forward to some feedback.
After extended listening, I love the visceral sub bass on the pleather pads., but the velour has more impact and texture. I also feel vocals are much more full with the pleather pads, they have less treble attached to them if it makes any sense, especially female vocals. It's really odd that the velour pads takes away a whole lot of the female vocal harmonics.
The he-400 with the pleather pads is for people who enjoy listening to mainstream music, like rap, hiphop, pop etc and the he-500 for vocals, acoustic, jazz, classical, country etc. It's like the he-500 for the daddy/mom and the he-400 for the daughter/son, IMO both equally capable but difference tastes. It's bananas that he-500 costed like 2x more.
Long story short, the velour pads are an acquired taste.
Edited by retskrad - 11/23/14 at 6:05am
The stock pleathers just sound very bad to my ears, closed in and wonky tonality. The velours improve everything, but present the problematic treble spike more strongly. The modulor jerg pads are by far and away the best pads to my ears (with the sub-bass mod). Just got the HE560 though, so these HE400s are going to get much less head time now..
You also get better quality streaming and can save to your portable devices for offline use. I feel that my Spotify subscription is one of my best value outgoing payments. If there is an album I really like, I will still buy the CD on Amazon as I'm not convinced that even Spotify Premium is giving me good quality rips all the time. It varies from album to album. But, for a pick up and listen/discover anything tool, even on the go/in the car, it cannot be beaten.
Each to their own. I find the Spotify subscription to be a major money saver for me. I barely buy any albums anymore, I just save what I want to my different playlists on Spotify, and it's all there. But everybody's situation is different.
I've had the HE-400s for a month now. Got them used on Amazon. First pair had one of the jacks on the phones stop working, either that or the whole left side was no longer operational. Easy return and now I have a pair that I love. I'm using the Focus Pad As on it and they are so much better than the pleather for everything in my experience. They sound more natural and refined for just about any type of music, the sound signature stayed the same, it just smoothed out the treble a bit too. Also the Focus Pads just beat the pleather ones on comfort alone.
For the record I use the 400s for listening to vinyl, mostly doom and black metal as well as some hip-hop and electronic music.
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