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post #17896 of 18609

Considering these are quite heavy, do these headphones slide down when tilting your head backwards or lying down in bed?

post #17897 of 18609

Yes.

post #17898 of 18609

you call these heavy?  You ain't seen nothing yet until you got an oculus rift dk2 strapped to your face + the he400 for 6 hours straight.... turning your head to and fro enjoying the virtual reality space dogfights. 

 

My neck is just fine, I think some may be exaggerating.

post #17899 of 18609
Yes they slide down, but they don't slide off. The cups will rest on your pillow so you'll be fine.
post #17900 of 18609

I would like to know how the HE-400 sounds with asgard2 or with vali. Many own the equipments , should shed some light upon it.

 

Many recommend Fiio E17 with He-400 But i would say NO. Its not that it is bad sounding , it sounds fine but there are two disadvantages :

 

1)Soundstage - it is compact & normal , nothing extraordinary.

 

2)Treble - E17 are such amplifiers which really colours the hp & adds a lot of treble. I have used the same amplifier with AD700 & you wouldnt believe how much treble really increases & became bright that it was hard to listen to.(was Playing DMC4 with this setup & it wasnt playable just due bright nature of treble, the hack n slash sound with such treble were ear-piercing). Though i can listen to High or bright treble. Also same goes with He400 its just its heavier bass just edows the bright treble but if one compare he400 without using any amp.One will see that that brightness & hissing sound is not present or v.less, which shows this nature is coming due to amp E17. Infact for Anime watchers this setup is just not good due to the hissing sound in Dialogues in Japanese Language.The issue is not that such bright odd treble is ear-piercing but it reduces the Musicality of a song.

 

Would like u all to recommend me an amplifier where treble is smooth is sparkling and airy for He-400.

post #17901 of 18609

Hi folks,

 

Is there anyone here who uses the HD-400 with the Fiio X3? Does the amp do justice to the headphones? The X3 did a lot for my HD558 and M50, but worried about the hard-to-drive tag that the orthos have built up. Would love to hear from people who've already heard the combo. Thanks!

post #17902 of 18609
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Originally Posted by gab840 View Post
 

I would like to know how the HE-400 sounds with asgard2 or with vali. Many own the equipments , should shed some light upon it.

 

Many recommend Fiio E17 with He-400 But i would say NO. Its not that it is bad sounding , it sounds fine but there are two disadvantages :

 

1)Soundstage - it is compact & normal , nothing extraordinary.

 

2)Treble - E17 are such amplifiers which really colours the hp & adds a lot of treble. I have used the same amplifier with AD700 & you wouldnt believe how much treble really increases & became bright that it was hard to listen to.(was Playing DMC4 with this setup & it wasnt playable just due bright nature of treble, the hack n slash sound with such treble were ear-piercing). Though i can listen to High or bright treble. Also same goes with He400 its just its heavier bass just edows the bright treble but if one compare he400 without using any amp.One will see that that brightness & hissing sound is not present or v.less, which shows this nature is coming due to amp E17. Infact for Anime watchers this setup is just not good due to the hissing sound in Dialogues in Japanese Language.The issue is not that such bright odd treble is ear-piercing but it reduces the Musicality of a song.

 

Would like u all to recommend me an amplifier where treble is smooth is sparkling and airy for He-400.

 

I haven't owned as wide a range of dac/amps as many people here, but I'll give it a go. I used to have the Fiio E7/E9 combo. The E9 was neutral and detailed, but as someone who is very sensitive to treble, it was just too bright and cold for me. Not sure how the new models work, but on the old E7/E9 when the E7 was docked it got rid of the E7s warmer sound signature. It was so bright to me I had to use the E7 --> line out --> E9 to retain that warm sound sig. When I switched to the Icon HDP however I never had that problem. Its warmer/smoother than the E9, still very detailed, and delivers enough power, so I have no complaints. 

post #17903 of 18609
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Originally Posted by ClayCamera View Post
 

Hi folks,

 

Is there anyone here who uses the HD-400 with the Fiio X3? Does the amp do justice to the headphones? The X3 did a lot for my HD558 and M50, but worried about the hard-to-drive tag that the orthos have built up. Would love to hear from people who've already heard the combo. Thanks!

 

The HE400 is one of the easiest to drive orthos. I've tried the X3 with even the Alpha Dog and the sound was very good - sure they can scale higher but the HE400 should still sound both loud enough and pretty impressive with the X3.

post #17904 of 18609
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Originally Posted by HarleyZH View Post
 

 

The HE400 is one of the easiest to drive orthos. I've tried the X3 with even the Alpha Dog and the sound was very good - sure they can scale higher but the HE400 should still sound both loud enough and pretty impressive with the X3.

Thanks HarleyZH, that's a relief.

Have ordered one off Ebay and should be reaching in a few days, so guess I'll find out soon enough. 

post #17905 of 18609
Quote:
Originally Posted by gab840 View Post

I would like to know how the HE-400 sounds with asgard2 or with vali. Many own the equipments , should shed some light upon it.

Many recommend Fiio E17 with He-400 But i would say NO. Its not that it is bad sounding , it sounds fine but there are two disadvantages :

1)Soundstage - it is compact & normal , nothing extraordinary.

2)Treble - E17 are such amplifiers which really colours the hp & adds a lot of treble. I have used the same amplifier with AD700 & you wouldnt believe how much treble really increases & became bright that it was hard to listen to.(was Playing DMC4 with this setup & it wasnt playable just due bright nature of treble, the hack n slash sound with such treble were ear-piercing). Though i can listen to High or bright treble. Also same goes with He400 its just its heavier bass just edows the bright treble but if one compare he400 without using any amp.One will see that that brightness & hissing sound is not present or v.less, which shows this nature is coming due to amp E17. Infact for Anime watchers this setup is just not good due to the hissing sound in Dialogues in Japanese Language.The issue is not that such bright odd treble is ear-piercing but it reduces the Musicality of a song.

Would like u all to recommend me an amplifier where treble is smooth is sparkling and airy for He-400.

Uh I found that the e17 has slightly rolled off treble and a warmer tone in general. It pairs well. My O2 sounds more brighter and analytical. Soundstage is decent on the e17, you aren't gaining much more from another amp.
post #17906 of 18609
Quote:
Originally Posted by gab840 View Post
 

I would like to know how the HE-400 sounds with asgard2 or with vali. Many own the equipments , should shed some light upon it.

 

Many recommend Fiio E17 with He-400 But i would say NO. Its not that it is bad sounding , it sounds fine but there are two disadvantages :

 

1)Soundstage - it is compact & normal , nothing extraordinary.

 

2)Treble - E17 are such amplifiers which really colours the hp & adds a lot of treble. I have used the same amplifier with AD700 & you wouldnt believe how much treble really increases & became bright that it was hard to listen to.(was Playing DMC4 with this setup & it wasnt playable just due bright nature of treble, the hack n slash sound with such treble were ear-piercing). Though i can listen to High or bright treble. Also same goes with He400 its just its heavier bass just edows the bright treble but if one compare he400 without using any amp.One will see that that brightness & hissing sound is not present or v.less, which shows this nature is coming due to amp E17. Infact for Anime watchers this setup is just not good due to the hissing sound in Dialogues in Japanese Language.The issue is not that such bright odd treble is ear-piercing but it reduces the Musicality of a song.

 

Would like u all to recommend me an amplifier where treble is smooth is sparkling and airy for He-400.

I think an amp alone wouldn't be enough to turn treble spike into "smooth". However, I feel like the combination of Focuspads and a tube amp or hybrid amp would go a long way (I feel that the Focuspads help the treble the most) My setup is HE-400 + Focuspads+ Schiit Vali and Modi. I'm not pushing the Vali, and I would guess that many other tubes or hybrids would drive it to meet your standards even better, though likely also at a higher price.

post #17907 of 18609

I purchased the HE-400.... I watch 90% movies.  I am going from DirectTV or Laptop via SPIDF  or USB to a RECON 3D (which does the 5.1/7.1 Surround processing).  RECON 3D to HE-400.  ***But I want to add an amp in between the RECON3D and the HE-400

 

I would assume I would not use a DAC right? (since the RECON unit is already doing the D to A conversion?) and just need to get an amp?

 

I've been looking at Schit Magni or Vali  but never heard any amps at all.. suggestions for amps with movie watching?

post #17908 of 18609
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Originally Posted by coletrain104 View Post
 

I think an amp alone wouldn't be enough to turn treble spike into "smooth". However, I feel like the combination of Focuspads and a tube amp or hybrid amp would go a long way (I feel that the Focuspads help the treble the most) My setup is HE-400 + Focuspads+ Schiit Vali and Modi. I'm not pushing the Vali, and I would guess that many other tubes or hybrids would drive it to meet your standards even better, though likely also at a higher price.


Good advice.

 

Coin-sized cut-out Silverstone foam damping discs partially covering the driver earside is about the cheapest non-EQ/non-hardware upgrade treble tamer.

Much the same as T50RP treble spike taming in the T50 tuning guide thread and Alpha Dog after-market Doggie Treats tuning materials. Fits behind earside dust cover. You can tune by diameter width or stack them 2 high... width and/or thickness tuning.

 

Make sure the sticky back has a strip/spine cut out or the sticky back would reflect back too much.You pinch the foam so the sticky back is facing you then cut a strip of the glue backing out. It is just a question of dialing in through circle diameter and/or thickness through a double stack of discs with their "spine" cut-out aligned to find your own "treble taming truth" degree of damping. May work for some members and not for others, but it is cheap and worth playing around with and reversible in seconds. I would tend to use foam and not felt for this but YMMV.

Currently listening and using it on my own pair of modded T50's. Works perfectly, as I'm very treble sensitive.


Edited by Lohb - 8/19/14 at 5:48pm
post #17909 of 18609

I also don't need a portable amp.  A non portable amp is fine.  I was able to get ahold of a Musical Fidelity X-Can 2 v2 yesterday to try out.  Its a Class A tube amp.  I am using the original tubes, non modified.  Compared to going directly from the Recon 3D, its obviously a huge jump up.  The treble highs are not as harsh any more..more smooth.  And I got a lot more bass.  I find it interesting that I can turn this unit up and although there is some increase in db output, the HE-400's seem to be taking a lot more in and not outputting as much volume. (Compared to other headphones you hook up to this unit).  Which is OK, there is really no reason to jack it up...its plenty loud!  I'm not sure this is the best amp for watching movies though.

post #17910 of 18609
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Originally Posted by canuckavelli View Post


Uh I found that the e17 has slightly rolled off treble and a warmer tone in general. It pairs well. My O2 sounds more brighter and analytical. Soundstage is decent on the e17, you aren't gaining much more from another amp.

Well ya actually e17 is much brighter amp. Anyways it could be there could be more brighter amps too.... soundstage wise how is O2 or vali when compared to Fiio E17???

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