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Originally Posted by Michael1026 View Post
 

I wanted to buy some new pads, and I'm curious which ones you guys would recommend. Also, if someone could link me to a reliable site to buy them from, that'd be much appreciated.

head-direct.com is the official hifiman website and have all the pads you would want

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Originally Posted by coletrain104 View Post

So for those keeping up with focuspads impressions, I have more info. (compared to the velours) I maintain that the mids are lifted, and the treble peak is not nearly as pronounced. However, I must say that there is a definite perceivable shrinking of soundstage compared to the velours, IMO. While these pads are angled, the thickest part of the angle is still thinner than the velour pads. I am unsure if this is the cause of soundstage shrinking, or the fact that the pad opening is smaller, and my ears touch the inside of the pad (not the driver, no comfort issues). I do have big ears though. soundstage isn't small, still. Maybe other smaller-eared focus pad users can shed light on whether the soundstage shrunk to them too
Edit: After listening to some of the Chesky tracks, I think a lot of the issue is a perception because the ear pads hug my head tighter. Still good soundstage and better imaging with the Chesky tracks

I ran a variety of A/B tests with the FocusPads and velours. (For all of the observations below, I'm referring to the FocusPads.)

I agree with your assessment that the imaging is better. Rear location accuracy was the most noticable improvement, IMO. No surprise with the angled drivers. Height perception seemed a tad more specific to my ears. Cener transition area from left to right seems a touch more specific as well.

I didn't notice any notable change in overall soundstage size. Panning different sounds to test for width, I found the maximum L/R distance to be almost exactly the same.

I just noticed your edit about the pads hugging your head tighter. My theory was that your observation about the soundstage was actually due to an increase in presence. Because of the boost in the 2-5khz region, your brain may perceive certain instruments as being closer to you. It's kind of like taking a couple steps coser to the stage. One could argue that since that area of the frequency range is now closer to neutral, those instruments are now more positionally accurate.

If you want to test this theory for yourself, simply try EQing the frequencies in this region down a bit and see what you observe. (-2db at 2khz and -4db at 4k should get you back in the neighborhood of the velour sound, if memory serves.)
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head-direct.com is the official hifiman website and have all the pads you would want

Must resist urge to be a smartass...
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Must resist urge to be a smartass...

I kinda what to hear it might be for a good laugh 

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Originally Posted by Tetonpowskier View Post

Awesome. I have decide between e12 n e17 now..

 

The e12 is a more powerful amp then the e17, but the e17 is also a dac, so it depends on your needs.

Fiio also has an e18 out which is an apparent upgrade to the e17, but I have no experience with this one.

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head-direct.com is the official hifiman website and have all the pads you would want

Thank you very much, but isn't $40 a little overpriced? Or is that the best I'll find?

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Originally Posted by Honkytime View Post

 
head-direct.com is the official hifiman website and have all the pads you would want
Thank you very much, but isn't $40 a little overpriced? Or is that the best I'll find?

I've seen some on the FS forums at head-fi. I believe Head-direct is the only place selling them new at this point. They are still cranking to meet supply and demand issues from what I understand. (My order was delayed by 3-4 days, but shipping was very quick once they got back in stock).

If you are wondering if the product is worth the $40 they are charging... In my opinion, unquestionably. Especially if you enjoy rock.
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Originally Posted by Hansotek View Post


I've seen some on the FS forums at head-fi. I believe Head-direct is the only place selling them new at this point. They are still cranking to meet supply and demand issues from what I understand. (My order was delayed by 3-4 days, but shipping was very quick once they got back in stock).

If you are wondering if the product is worth the $40 they are charging... In my opinion, unquestionably. Especially if you enjoy rock.

That's actually what I listen to. I'll definitely consider it.

 

Edit: one more question. What's the difference between the Focus Pad-a and just the Focus Pads?


Edited by Michael1026 - 8/8/14 at 8:41pm
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Why/how do focus pads make such a difference? What on the inside is different from the stock pads?

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Why/how do focus pads make such a difference? What on the inside is different from the stock pads?

Lots of things going on vs. stock pads. It feels like much more thought and engineering went into these. I posted a lot of impressions a couple of pages back. Coletrain104 and Mani ATH 87 have been posting lots of excellent impressions along with me. I've done lots of mods and pad swaps on lots of different cans, and this has been one of the most dramatic and impressive I've come across.

Mesh on inner side of earpad and softer/less dense fill are the most obvious differences. I believe these changes contribute to the lift in the upper mids I noted a few pages ago. These are much more neutral, present and aggressive vs. the stock pads.

The pads are also thinner on the front side, which angles the driver toward the ears. This improves imaging.

There is a softer velour on the top side at the contact point with the head and a cushier overall feel compared to the stock velours, which I always found to be hard and itchy. These are now among the most comfortable headphones I've worn. As good or better than Sennheiser, but not quite up to the level of the Beyerdynamic DT880/990.

If you want to learn more about the engineering behind these, read Jerg's excellent posts about his JergPads. That dude knows infinitely more about the damping and pad engineering than I do. The FocusPads are essentially HiFiMan's version of his design.
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Originally Posted by Hansotek View Post


Lots of things going on vs. stock pads. It feels like much more thought and engineering went into these. I posted a lot of impressions a couple of pages back. Coletrain104 and Mani ATH 87 have been posting lots of excellent impressions along with me. I've done lots of mods and pad swaps on lots of different cans, and this has been one of the most dramatic and impressive I've come across.

Mesh on inner side of earpad and softer/less dense fill are the most obvious differences. I believe these changes contribute to the lift in the upper mids I noted a few pages ago. These are much more neutral, present and aggressive vs. the stock pads.

The pads are also thinner on the front side, which angles the driver toward the ears. This improves imaging.

There is a softer velour on the top side at the contact point with the head and a cushier overall feel compared to the stock velours, which I always found to be hard and itchy. These are now among the most comfortable headphones I've worn. As good or better than Sennheiser, but not quite up to the level of the Beyerdynamic DT880/990.

If you want to learn more about the engineering behind these, read Jerg's excellent posts about his JergPads. That dude knows infinitely more about the damping and pad engineering than I do. The FocusPads are essentially HiFiMan's version of his design.

Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that they were designed with mainly comfort in mind, but just happened to sound better. Now knowing they were actually engineered for sound quality and comfort $40 seems like a fair price.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Michael1026 View Post
 

That's actually what I listen to. I'll definitely consider it.

 

Edit: one more question. What's the difference between the Focus Pad-a and just the Focus Pads?

Focus A-pad: Velour on the front and inside / Leather on the outside.

Focus pad: Velour on the front / Leather on inside and outside.

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Originally Posted by Hansotek View Post


I ran a variety of A/B tests with the FocusPads and velours. (For all of the observations below, I'm referring to the FocusPads.)

I agree with your assessment that the imaging is better. Rear location accuracy was the most noticable improvement, IMO. No surprise with the angled drivers. Height perception seemed a tad more specific to my ears. Cener transition area from left to right seems a touch more specific as well.

I didn't notice any notable change in overall soundstage size. Panning different sounds to test for width, I found the maximum L/R distance to be almost exactly the same.

I just noticed your edit about the pads hugging your head tighter. My theory was that your observation about the soundstage was actually due to an increase in presence. Because of the boost in the 2-5khz region, your brain may perceive certain instruments as being closer to you. It's kind of like taking a couple steps coser to the stage. One could argue that since that area of the frequency range is now closer to neutral, those instruments are now more positionally accurate.

If you want to test this theory for yourself, simply try EQing the frequencies in this region down a bit and see what you observe. (-2db at 2khz and -4db at 4k should get you back in the neighborhood of the velour sound, if memory serves.)

This is 100% in-line with what I've heard, and I was considering the increase in presence to be a possibility. I'll probably give the EQ thing a try when I get bored


Edited by coletrain104 - 8/10/14 at 9:04am
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Going to order a Fiio E12 and velour pads tonight. Even If i hear 10% improvement, I will die in sound heaven. I always hate committing to a new brand without trying a pair first, unsure of sound signature, but im glad I went with hifiman. These are the most engaging headphones I have ever had the pleasure to listen to, nvm own. Thats exactly what I wanted. 

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Originally Posted by Tetonpowskier View Post
 

Going to order a Fiio E12 and velour pads tonight. Even If i hear 10% improvement, I will die in sound heaven. I always hate committing to a new brand without trying a pair first, unsure of sound signature, but im glad I went with hifiman. These are the most engaging headphones I have ever had the pleasure to listen to, nvm own. Thats exactly what I wanted. 

 

I'd spend a bit extra on the Focuspads over the original velours. I liked the original velours quite a bit, but the focuspads give you everything the original velours did (they sound a tad warmer actually) with 10X the comfort. $10 vs $40 I guess is significant, but worth it in my opinion.

post #17850 of 18332
Hoooly crap the treble on these headphone tear my ears apart, the treble has so much sibliance on almost 90% of the songs I listen to.

I thought my dt990 was on the treble heavy side, but its no match for the damaging treble on the he400.

lets not even mention the treble with velour pads, it gets worse, which i didnt think was possible.

kind of dissappointed, I paid 300 bucks for it and its nowhere near balanced as people made it out to be. sorry guys, planar headphones seems like a gimmick to me.
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