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post #17281 of 19306
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 


i dont live in the US or Europe so selling is a bit problematic. i mostly listen to local japanese jazz / japanese folk. but some western musics i listened to are slow club / ani di franco / frightened rabbit / rachael yamagata / mumford & sons (only the sigh no more song at 2:23), i think it's good for reference...

 

do you listen to any of those...?

 

how about the amps...?

i think i can get schiit magni directly from schiit, but customs and shipping will make me in the end have to pay double. so i wont have budget for DAC. is it sufficient to just run he-400 and amp without DAC?

Amps help some but not like you would think- there would be a much more discernible improvement going from the 60i to the 400 (or similar) than from an ipod to a $300 amp (with same headphone). I have a crazy expensive amp, mid grade amp and phone/DAP players so I speak from experience in this. Again, the 60i is very good but I think the added air and precise, deep bass of the 400 is a big improvement.

post #17282 of 19306

I listen to a lot of Japanese stuff, a lot of recordings have been say rather bright and some a bit annoying with the he-400 being bit sibilant. Eq helps though.

 

Personally for me the dragonfly dac v1.0 works great with the he-400 and can drive them quite loud. A good dac to me is more important then say an amp but each his own.

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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 


i dont live in the US or Europe so selling is a bit problematic. i mostly listen to local japanese jazz / japanese folk. but some western musics i listened to are slow club / ani di franco / frightened rabbit / rachael yamagata / mumford & sons (only the sigh no more song at 2:23), i think it's good for reference...

 

do you listen to any of those...?

 

how about the amps...?

i think i can get schiit magni directly from schiit, but customs and shipping will make me in the end have to pay double. so i wont have budget for DAC. is it sufficient to just run he-400 and amp without DAC?

post #17283 of 19306
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Originally Posted by Netforce View Post
 

I listen to a lot of Japanese stuff, a lot of recordings have been say rather bright and some a bit annoying with the he-400 being bit sibilant. Eq helps though.

 

Personally for me the dragonfly dac v1.0 works great with the he-400 and can drive them quite loud. A good dac to me is more important then say an amp but each his own.

 

that is great to hear... have you ever heard of

spoiler bands i listen to (Click to show)
lumiere / dogs holidays of yawn / ebisu miho / sotte bosse

 

those are the kinds of songs im hoping to listen to with this new headphone. one question though.... when you use it, do you ever feel that it's heavy over long period of listening...? (2~4 hours). read the spec sheet just now and it said that the weight is around 440 grams....

 

i dont really know anything about DAC and Amp other than the general description of what they're for... i thought amp would be slightly nore priority since from googling i've read that some headphones need more current than others...

 

but im good with buying DAC only as well.... anything goes really as long as it's around ~$100~$150...


Edited by rovopio - 5/15/14 at 7:41pm
post #17284 of 19306
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that is great to hear... have you ever heard of [spoiler=these bands / singers] lumiere / dogs holidays of yawn / ebisu miho / sotte bosse [/spoiler]

 

those are the kinds of songs im hoping to listen to with this new headphone. one question though.... when you use it, do you ever feel that it's heavy over long period of listening...? (2~4 hours). read the spec sheet just now and it said that the weight is around 440 grams....

 

i dont really know anything about DAC and Amp other than the general description of what they're for... i thought amp would be slightly nore priority since from googling i've read that some headphones need more current than others...

 

but im good with buying DAC only as well.... anything goes really as long as it's around ~$100~$150...

I haven't but could try and give a listen once I get back home today.

 

Comfort bothered me in the beginning with the he-400s but over time I got used to it and can wear them all day without issue. Friends that try them do immediately do mention their weight.

 

For me I value a dac as a priority over an amp, if you are going to get an amp and stick with the lousy on board sound of your computer then you will just be amplifying lousy sound. A dac/amp all in one is quite convenient and can fit in you budget so should be good.

post #17285 of 19306

Hmm, do those differerences between mounting rings affect sound quality? Left one is velour, right one pleather. Just wondering which ones to use on jergpad mod. Every pic i see has the one from left pad.


Edited by sammy123 - 5/18/14 at 1:14pm
post #17286 of 19306
Thread Starter 

Pleather is used for the mod. 

post #17287 of 19306
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Pleather is used for the mod. 


Yes i know that, but my pleathers have different mounting rings compared to velours(see pic). I was asking if those make any difference? Every jergpad pic i see sports different ring compared to mine. The ones i found on my velours.


Edited by sammy123 - 5/15/14 at 5:03am
post #17288 of 19306
Thread Starter 

Sorry, I misunderstood you. It will make no difference. 

post #17289 of 19306

Okay, thanks.


Edited by sammy123 - 5/18/14 at 1:14pm
post #17290 of 19306
Thread Starter 

You might pm jerg on this one as he is our resident expert.

post #17291 of 19306
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

You might pm jerg on this one as he is our resident expert.

Its a new mounting ring used in he-560. I guess this latest batch came with those. Jerg said should be acoustically better than the old one.

 

I did the mod now and the treble is much smoother now. Regarding my previous statement, i did some a/b testing and i indeed found velours to have smallest soundstage and worst treble. Stock pleathers had larger soundstage and smoother treble to my ears.

 

Do i leave spacers out of the pads? i left them out for now, but my ears are touching the dust cover. Slightly irritating, i guess ill do velour top and vent mod too, if spacers are a no go.

 

edit: nvm i shouldnt put them on. Should have read jergpad mod thread more carefully.


Edited by sammy123 - 5/15/14 at 10:11am
post #17292 of 19306
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 

hello....

 

i need some advice from hifiman he-400 users...

i've been using grado sr60 for many many years now... i'm going to upgrade, and my clear choice goes to shure 940 initially. but after reading some more and found out that everybody and their dogs and their dog's friends have issues about the headbands... i'm starting to look at other options as well...

 

for many reasons, my current situations will only allow me to have 1 pair of headphones for the foreseeable future (3 to 4 years time). and this headphone will most likely be my only source of entertainment for that period of time (there will be no TV no Games no Bluray for me, just this future headphone / my old grado SR60 / and an audio player).

 

the headphones will be used specifically for these genres... (female vocals / indie folk / jazz / accoustics / strings).

 

so my consideration only comes to 2 things,

A) it has to be an upgrade in sound compared to my grado sr60

B) it have to last long (which i initially thought was a non-issue because of my daily-beaten yet still very much alive grado)

 

compare to other brands... hifiman he-400 is very nicely priced here, i can get it for ~$370, is it a good headphone to consider as my alternative of shure 940...?

from reading the reviews i've heard that he-400 must be driven with an amp. is that true?

i think i can set aside ~$130~$150 for an amp... the only option available for that price here is JDSLabs Objective2 and Fiio E12, will this be sufficient?

i won't buy DAC for at least a year or two though... so will the amp be enough to drive he-400 and is it a good option for me to consider?

 

ps: i can't audition the he-400 so i'm asking here... :)

 

 

cheers...

Given the genres you like, the HE-400 would probably be a great choice. HOWEVER, not everyone seems to love them for female vocals. IMO the HE-400 are unforgiving, and a lot of female vocals are "hot" (loud and sibilant). The HEs will reveal that more often than not. But they can amaze with Jazz and similar genres. Overall, they sound excellent to my ears, very high end in many ways. They are a class above the Grados for sure.

 

Alternatives I'd consider right now in the ~$300 range are the new NADs or Focal Spirit Pros. They have great extension also and are very neutral, which I think would improve on some things (particularly vocals). They are dynamic phones, however, and have more distortion in the bass (Planars seem to always provide very-low distortion bass which I think is part of their "magic"). But I am not sure the HE-400s are easily beaten in any area really, except the upper treble regions / staging areas. They are not nuetral, but come pretty close.

 

In terms of longevity, I am sure they will last. There has been some issue with the cord jackets peeling for me and some others. Another issue is comfort - for the most part, they are less comfortable than my other phones. Also, they get fatiguing at times. So, if you wear for very long sessions, they may not suit you as well. I struggle in particular with glare in piano music, and recordings that make too much use of reverb. If you listen to a lot of music with those things going on they are less than ideal.

 

Both the amps you mention are good amps. I lean toward the O2. You can also add the Schiit Magni ($100 plus cables / adapters). I'd shy away from the Fiio myself, as I think you would appreciate a bit more power. You don't NEED a DAC, unless your computer / phone / Mp3 / CD players etc. sounds like complete garbage. Generally speaking, I think my ODAC sounds better than my other equipment, but not by a whole lot. Mainly, it is the complete absence of any background "hiss" that makes it awesome to my ears.

post #17293 of 19306

So, I'm trying to figure out if the Magni or the Vali would be a better pairing for the 400. To further the argument, I find the 400 unamped to have treble that doesn't quite bother me yet, and bass that is a little strong. I just wish I could bring out the upper mids a bit more. anyways, people call the Magni lean sounding, which I guess means less bass, more treble? and Vali is smooth. idk, which do you guys think would be a better fit?

post #17294 of 19306

The Magni will probably give you less bass as well as tighter bass than whatever you're hooked up to, but it will also bring out the treble a good bit.  If the treble doesn't bother you right now then you could try the Magni.

post #17295 of 19306

Hmmmm... If the Vali doesn't increase the bass quantity, I think it might be the choice here. As I said, the treble doesn't QUITE bother me yet. If it was brought out by the amp, I think it might be too much. Also considering a future side-grade to Grado or AKG headphones, so maybe tubes fit my future better?

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