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The JJ's are maybe the least favorite of all the lyr tubes that I've heard. But, if you like them that's all that matters.
They sound better than the stock GE 6BZ7s. But just started tube rolling and I see that NOS tubes can get up to insane prices. Any recommendations fin the $50 per tube range?
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Has anybody swapped out the cables for the headphones? If so, how did the sound change?


I'd do the jerg mods (grills/earpads) first and EQ (if that is not unholy to you) if you are looking to fix the 400 "known issues". Not sure if you know the 400i is coming out ? 400's + new cables may run you the same price as the 400i. No real updated news on the 400i yet but they are soon to be released.

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I purchased an upgrade cable from CablePro that with shipping cost $150. Now that might seem like a lot pf money considering the HE-400s were only $299. But after about 100 hours of break in the overall improvement was nothing short of remarkable. One of the reasons I spent so much that's what it took to make an improvement over the stock cable which is the best quality stock cable I've ever used.

 

It's up to you whether you want to spend the extra $$$. I'll finish by saying I'm very pleased with my cable upgrade.

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I'd do the jerg mods (grills/earpads) first and EQ (if that is not unholy to you) if you are looking to fix the 400 "known issues". 


+1, though I'd put EQ above jergmods by a hair. Cable upgrades are a waste of money IMO, especially if you don't try EQ and jergmods first.

Think about it--there are so many parts to the signal chain. The tiny little wires inside the headphone are soldered to the SMC connectors, the SMC connectors are soldered to your headphone cable, the headphone cable is soldered to your headphone jack, there is a mechanical connection between your headphone jack and the amp's socket, the amp's headphone socket is soldered to a whole bunch of circuit boards with tiny PCB traces, resistor leads, capacitor leads, etc, etc. Changing one piece of wire in that whole chain without touching the rest isn't going to make any difference. 

I built a custom speaker tap adapter that uses $0.50 alligator clips from Mouser and multiple screw connectors. It sounds perfectly transparent, because it conducts electricity. Just look at the SMC connectors on the Hifiman headphones and ask yourself how expensive wire is going to make any difference when those things are the weakest link. 


Edited by manbear - 4/13/14 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post
 

I purchased an upgrade cable from CablePro that with shipping cost $150. Now that might seem like a lot pf money considering the HE-400s were only $299. But after about 100 hours of break in the overall improvement was nothing short of remarkable. One of the reasons I spent so much that's what it took to make an improvement over the stock cable which is the best quality stock cable I've ever used.

 

It's up to you whether you want to spend the extra $$$. I'll finish by saying I'm very pleased with my cable upgrade.

How do you know that the changes to the sound were due to the cable and not the driver burn-in.

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I Had the headphones for almost 3 weeks before purchasing the cable. The headphones were pretty much broken in using the stock cable. Look I'm not saying the cable upgrade made these headphone sound like the HE-500s or  Audez. What I a saying is for me they're were worth the money. High-end cable issues are what make non-audiophiles roll their eyes and make out out the be obsessive money wasting fools. Even today they remain controversial. Most cable manufactures offer money back guarantees so there's really not risk in auditioning the products. Do you know Transparent Audio make speaker cables that cost $40,000? That's 40 large! When these cables are ordered the whole plant shuts down and it can still take up to a week to finish the order. Wilson Audio and Rockport Technologies make speakers that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and both companies recommend Transparent cables. 

 

My point is cables are big time **** and improve the sound of most components. Of course there are rip-offs out there as well.

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Are you saying the audiophiles who have been purchasing expensive high-end cables for years are all being bamboozed and ripped off? Look man, I going with what my ears tell me. Of course there are a lot of solder joints. It comes down to the quality of the solder and the skill of the technician. As far as boards are concerned it comes down to the materials and the quality of the components. Pass Audio Labs reject the vast amount of output transistors. Their circuit boards have to the best quality available. This process is very painstaking and expensive which I why their amps cost thousands of dollars. And that's why they sound so incredible. Boulder amps cost over $100,000 and the build and sound quality are nothing short of amazing. If you have a high-end audio shop, put on some nice clothes and audition some of these products.

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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post
 

I Had the headphones for almost 3 weeks before purchasing the cable. The headphones were pretty much broken in using the stock cable. Look I'm not saying the cable upgrade made these headphone sound like the HE-500s or  Audez. What I a saying is for me they're were worth the money. High-end cable issues are what make non-audiophiles roll their eyes and make out out the be obsessive money wasting fools. Even today they remain controversial. Most cable manufactures offer money back guarantees so there's really not risk in auditioning the products. Do you know Transparent Audio make speaker cables that cost $40,000? That's 40 large! When these cables are ordered the whole plant shuts down and it can still take up to a week to finish the order. Wilson Audio and Rockport Technologies make speakers that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and both companies recommend Transparent cables. 

 

My point is cables are big time **** and improve the sound of most components. Of course there are rip-offs out there as well.

But with a little bit more money than what you spent on the HE-400 and cable, you could have gotten a HE-500 which would have been a much bigger improvement in sound than even the best cables.  

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That though crossed my mind, but I have to admit my wife let me use her card and I have to grovel to let me get the $299 HE-400s. Plus if I got the HE-500's and, of course, I'd need to upgrade the cable. And the cables I bought for the HE-400s would probably not be up to stuff for the 500's. I've done some research on recommended cables for the HE-500's and the prices vary from $250 to $300. So were talking $600 for the phones and say $270 for the cable. So were talking about $850. Look my goal is to save up enough to get a pair of HE-6s or Audeze LCD-X. And if I do this I'll have to upgrade my amplification and DAC. So were talking a lot of $$$. About $2500 to $3000. Of course by the time I save that much money, new models will have been introduced...

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Man, might as well get some more crack by bottlehead right?!

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Sorry, but being new to this forum, I have no idea what you're talking about...

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Smh, all this cable talk needs some more bottlehead crack, that's all I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post
 

That though crossed my mind, but I have to admit my wife let me use her card and I have to grovel to let me get the $299 HE-400s. Plus if I got the HE-500's and, of course, I'd need to upgrade the cable. And the cables I bought for the HE-400s would probably not be up to stuff for the 500's. I've done some research on recommended cables for the HE-500's and the prices vary from $250 to $300. So were talking $600 for the phones and say $270 for the cable. So were talking about $850. Look my goal is to save up enough to get a pair of HE-6s or Audeze LCD-X. And if I do this I'll have to upgrade my amplification and DAC. So were talking a lot of $$$. About $2500 to $3000. Of course by the time I save that much money, new models will have been introduced...

LOL 2500-3000 for HE-6?  You can get a 2nd hand HE-6 for about $1K, then you can just get an Emotiva Mini-X ($200) and a adapter cable (one instance where an aftermarket cable is worth it) which shouldn't cost more than $200.  Even with a decent DAC that wouldn't push you over $2k.

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I have not heard much difference with several cable changes.
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And "bottlehead crack" would be?

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