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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post

Fair enough. Cables have always been a point of contention. I use my ears to lead me down whatever path this hobby has to offer. Transparent Audio has speaker cables that go for around $40,000. They sell more than you'd think. If you have Rockport Arakis speakers go for $300,000. Top of the line Boulder power amps go for about the some. So if you're filthy rich and have over a half a million dollars just in power amp and speakers, what kind of cables are you going to use in a system that goes for close to a million dollars? That's just for the gear. That's not including that work on the room. That's all I've got to say...


 



LOL

http://www.stereophile.com/cables/805harm

Read the measurements section, then the enraged letters.

An entertaining piece of hifi history...
post #16862 of 18083

That's pretty amazing. And the price is very reasonable for high end audio. I wonder what a headphone cable with that technology would sound on high end headphones like HD800's or HE-6's. 

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That was an interesting read.

 

Reviewer- "The CyberLights represent one of the greatest technological breakthroughs in high-performance audio that I have experienced in my audiophile lifetime."

 

Measurement guy- "If this review were of a conventional product, I would dismiss it as being broken."

 

Didn't the same thing happen with the infamous "Playstation 1 makes an amazing CD player" thing?  Some people were going crazy over the sound quality, then they measured it and the measurements were terrible.

post #16864 of 18083
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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post

That's pretty amazing. And the price is very reasonable for high end audio. I wonder what a headphone cable with that technology would sound on high end headphones like HD800's or HE-6's. 


 



It would probably sound like it has audible distortion. You read the measurements section, right?

If you're just trying to get my goat, that's ok too. I think everyone should be aware of this cable review, as the whole thing is quite interesting.
post #16865 of 18083

It's not my intention to get anyone's goat. I'm a peaceful man enjoying his hobby and listening to great music with amazing headphones that only coat $300. I've been using AKG K702's for 4 years. I don't want make anyone angry, but these HE-400's blow them out of the water..

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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post

It's not my intention to get anyone's goat. I'm a peaceful man enjoying his hobby and listening to great music with amazing headphones that only coat $300. I've been using AKG K702's for 4 years. I don't want make anyone angry, but these HE-400's blow them out of the water..


 



Yeah, I used to have a Q701 and I think the HE-400 is way better.
post #16867 of 18083

Not sure how the HE-400's midrange and treble are better than the Q701.  The only area I prefer the HE-400 over the Q701 is the bass and imaging.

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Not sure how the HE-400's midrange and treble are better than the Q701.  The only area I prefer the HE-400 over the Q701 is the bass and imaging.


I don't disagree with you there. I'm just saying that for my tastes and the genres I listen to (electronic, mostly), the HE-400 is way better. I don't regret selling the Q701 for a minute, but I'm also a one headphone kind of guy. 

post #16869 of 18083

Try Pink Floyd Dank Side of the Moon or some older Steely Dan or Supertramp. These headphones really shine with this music.

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Whoops I meant DARK Side of the Moon!!

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Originally Posted by chrismini View Post
 

Fair enough. Cables have always been a point of contention. I use my ears to lead me down whatever path this hobby has to offer. Transparent Audio has speaker cables that go for around $40,000. They sell more than you'd think. If you have Rockport Arakis speakers go for $300,000. Top of the line Boulder power amps go for about the some. So if you're filthy rich and have over a half a million dollars just in power amp and speakers, what kind of cables are you going to use in a system that goes for close to a million dollars? That's just for the gear. That's not including that work on the room. That's all I've got to say...

 



LOL

http://www.stereophile.com/cables/805harm

Read the measurements section, then the enraged letters.

An entertaining piece of hifi history...

 

I don't trust the mainstream publications, what hi-fi etc. They probably get money from the manufacturers to publish good reviews.

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Bought my son a pair of HE-400s for Christmas and ended up buying a pair for myself after the recent price reduction. For the most part these have been spectacular. 

 
The only issue I have is that selecting an amp for portable/transportable use with my rockboxed iPod 5.5g has been way more work and cost than I ever imagined. Both my son and I have Dragonflys, which work well with the HE-400s, so I was expecting a similar experience with a portable amp. Much to my dismay it was not. Here are my brief impressions:
 
Dragonfly: Has adequate power and drives the HE-400 with pretty good authority. The bass/mids/highs are all well balanced. There is perhaps some congestion during very loud complex orchestral passages; however, overall the HE-400s sound good with the Dragonfly.  Only problem is the need for a usb device.  
 
Leckerton UHA-6S MKIIs (ADA46271B):  Good neutral frequency balance which meshed well with HE-400s; quiet; and well constructed. Just didn't feel it quite had the power necessary to properly drive the HE-400s. If you listen at fairly moderate levels you might find it acceptable. Very nice amp that I really wanted to keep. Nick is also a pleasure to work with. 
 
JDS 02:  I know many drive the HE-400s with this amp but it just didn't work for me. Yes it's very powerful clean, and dead quiet but my impression was that it really exacerbated the potential for sibilance and harshness of the HE-400s.  Bass wasn't as solid as I would expect from a powerful amp like the 02.  Thought something must be wrong but subsequent bench testing at JDS proved otherwise. Just a really unlistenable combination  for me. Your mileage may vary. 
 
Headamp Pico Power:  Wow. Perfect match for the HE-400. Ample power - using high gain. I rarely need to go above 12:00 which for most material is veryloud.  Of course, it's not just about sound pressure levels, the Pico Power provides a sense of authoritative control and richness that brings out the best qualities of the HE-400s.   It has powerful defined bass; neutral midrange; and sweet extended highs.  It won't mask the treble peaks on the HE-400 but certainly doesn't draw attention to them.  Everything just sounds "right" with this amp. Drawbacks: I worry over damaging this piece of art and my wallet is $475 lighter!
 
Bottom line is it shouldn't require this much investment to make the HE-400s sound their best.   Granted, I needed a transportable amp which limited the options. Yes you can coax pretty good sound at moderate listening from most headphone outputs (regrettably not my particular 5.5g iPod) but you may need to experiment with a proper amp with plenty of juice to make the HE-400s really shine. Not sure I would have embarked on this journey if I knew what I know now. That said I am completely satisfied with this setup and want for nothing more.....for now.  :)

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I got my HifiMan HE-400 a few days ago guys. Early impressions, these cans stand up to the hype I've read on this impressions thread. Very nice bass and wonderful imaging. Maybe its because I'm a bit or a treble head but I don't hear the HE-400 as being overly harsh like some people have reported. Also, some people have reported them as sounding dark. Personally, I don't think they're that dark. Yes I wouldn't mind a little more presence in the lower treble but I wouldn't call them dark. Currently, I don't have the velour pads and I'm listening to them using the stock pleather pads. I have a set of jergpads coming in and hopefully they'll be in my possession in the next week or so. Supposedly, the jergpads is a nice step up, sonically speaking, and helps smooth out and further refine the signature without sacrificing detail. Speaking of detail, the mids seem to be slightly laid back but it doesn't seem to bother me that much for some reason. Very nice headphone, the HE-400 is a keeper in my book.

 

PS

When you cover the grills on these things it sounds like you're listening to an old cheap early 80s tizzy sounding radio. Can anyone point me to some info concerning the grill mod? I remember somewhere way back somebody did a grill mod?

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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post
 

I got my HifiMan HE-400 a few days ago guys. Early impressions, these cans stand up to the hype I've read on this impressions thread. Very nice bass and wonderful imaging. Maybe its because I'm a bit or a treble head but I don't hear the HE-400 as being overly harsh like some people have reported. Also, some people have reported them as sounding dark. Personally, I don't think they're that dark. Yes I wouldn't mind a little more presence in the lower treble but I wouldn't call them dark. Currently, I don't have the velour pads and I'm listening to them using the stock pleather pads. I have a set of jergpads coming in and hopefully they'll be in my possession in the next week or so. Supposedly, the jergpads is a nice step up, sonically speaking, and helps smooth out and further refine the signature without sacrificing detail. Speaking of detail, the mids seem to be slightly laid back but it doesn't seem to bother me that much for some reason. Very nice headphone, the HE-400 is a keeper in my book.

 

PS

When you cover the grills on these things it sounds like you're listening to an old cheap early 80s tizzy sounding radio. Can anyone point me to some info concerning the grill mod? I remember somewhere way back somebody did a grill mod?


Wow, I am surprised you like them. Based on your other reviews you seem to have a tendency to favor neutral HP's. I am glad you appreciate them for what they are, but I am a bit shocked that you like them. They improve significantly to my ears with the Jergpads or velours.

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 


Wow, I am surprised you like them. Based on your other reviews you seem to have a tendency to favor neutral HP's. I am glad you appreciate them for what they are, but I am a bit shocked that you like them. They improve significantly to my ears with the Jergpads or velours.

Well, I'm not selling my Paradox or Alpha Dogs anytime soon if that's what you're wondering. When a headphone is well done I like it whether its neutral or not. If you check my YouTube channel you'll see me reviewing the Audeze XC and giving its a thumbs up and that's one of the more colored cans out there right now. What can I say, I like to let whats left of my hair down now and again an have a little fun. The HE-400 is an enjoyable can IMO. I got some Tragically Hip tunes playing right now and its sounding very nice.


Edited by DigitalFreak - 4/3/14 at 10:07pm
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