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post #16771 of 19816
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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post
 

 

Is there a better choice this price point?

 

Also - I looked at the Jergpads tutorial - it's more DIY than I would want to get into. I see that there are $10 velour pads available on sites like head-direct. Good enough?


$10 pads are worth it in my opinion. At the $300 point? Well you can wait and find HD650's around $330 and up. You can get the a900x for about $180 at Best Buy right now. I won't say the a900x is better because I'm going from memory but when my new pair arrive I'll be able to A/B them to my hearts content.

 

Are you ok with trying them from Amazon? There is no restocking fee so you have nothing to lose but I know some people don't want the hassle of returning anything. I don't think you can go terribly 'wrong' with the HE-400.

 

One thing though, what amp?

post #16772 of 19816
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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post
 

 

Is there a better choice this price point?

 

Also - I looked at the Jergpads tutorial - it's more DIY than I would want to get into. I see that there are $10 velour pads available on sites like head-direct. Good enough?

 

First and foremost, try the HE-400 stock and see what you think.  A lot of people feel the stock pads need to be replaced with Jergpads or velour, but like me, you very well may enjoy the stock pads.  There is no point in worrying about the pads until you've heard the stock and decide whether or not you like them.

 

The main question you should always ask yourself is "Am I happy with what I hear?"  If the answer's yes, then take the time to enjoy what you've bought, listen to some great music, and after a bit consider if you want to improve on what you have or if you're happy with where you are.

 

I hope you love the HE-400, I think they're a fantastic headphone with some great potential.

post #16773 of 19816
The velour is better than the pleather but it doesn't smooth the treble as well as Jergpads.
post #16774 of 19816
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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post
 

oof, this is a helluva long thread.

 

I'm looking to upgrade from the ATH-M50. I'm considering these since Amazon has them for $300, which is apparently a good deal. I was also considering the AT-AD900X as my first open-back headphones. Driving them off my computer at least for now with a Fiio E17. I listen to a lot of rock, metal, and electronic music. This wouldn't be for super-critical symphonic listening, but I want something accurate. I like powerful, accurate, fast bass. Something that will work with the super lows of Drum & Bass, but also rock and metal.

 

I'm a little confused, because the reviews of these headphones are all over the place. Some say they have no sound stage. Some say they are super sibilant and painful to use. Some say they're the best thing you can get for $300. 

 

Any advice?


I love my ATH-M50's and couldnt possible consider the HE-400's a replacement. They will be an upgrade in some ways, but those will depend on how you like to listen to and experience your music. Its really something only you can answer for yourself. Buy the HE-400's from Amazon as they have a great return policy, give them a try and send them back if you dont love them. Simple as that. Dont ask or listen to anyone on the net telling you what you need to hear for yourself.

post #16775 of 19816
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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post
 

 

Isn't the A900x a closed-back? 

 

I see that the HD650 is significantly more expensive - HE-400 is at the top of my range right now. I'm a little surprised at how fiddly these seem to be. Maybe I'd be in over my head.


Yes, a900x is closed back but sound stage is deeper and wider than both the HE-400 and HD650 from memory. I think the a900x has angled drivers which helps with this. Also, my Beyer DT770 is closed back with a port and has a bigger sound stage than the HE-400. I think when people say open backs always have a bigger sound stage it's not always true. Then again we all hear differently and our brains 'make up' acoustic space in our heads.

 

The thing about the a900x is there are these moments where you hear instruments and vocals zip back and forth and off into the depths around your head. I've had no other headphone that startled me this way. I'm no expert, but if anyone else has experience with the a900x and the HE-400 I'd love to hear their thoughts.

post #16776 of 19816
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 


I love my ATH-M50's and couldnt possible consider the HE-400's a replacement. They will be an upgrade in some ways, but those will depend on how you like to listen to and experience your music. Its really something only you can answer for yourself. Buy the HE-400's from Amazon as they have a great return policy, give them a try and send them back if you dont love them. Simple as that. Dont ask or listen to anyone on the net telling you what you need to hear for yourself.

 

I like my M50s as well - they were my first "good" headphone, but after hours they can feel like I'm wearing a helmet, a little isolated. I feel like i'm ready try out an open headphone, for something a little more atmospheric.

 
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Originally Posted by Citizen13469 View Post
 

Are you ok with trying them from Amazon? There is no restocking fee so you have nothing to lose but I know some people don't want the hassle of returning anything. I don't think you can go terribly 'wrong' with the HE-400.

 

One thing though, what amp?

 

My only real reservation about doing a Try-Buy from amazon is that these things apparently require a lot of burn-in...I suppose I'd get a general sense of them in the first few minutes, but I wouldn't feel right doing the full burn-in cycle and then returning.

 

Amp - right now, a Fiio E17. I use it both with my portable and home setup. I have read that they can drive this well enough. I could upgrade down the road if need be. 

post #16777 of 19816
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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post

oof, this is a helluva long thread.

I'm looking to upgrade from the ATH-M50. I'm considering these since Amazon has them for $300, which is apparently a good deal. I was also considering the AT-AD900X as my first open-back headphones. Driving them off my computer at least for now with a Fiio E17. I listen to a lot of rock, metal, and electronic music. This wouldn't be for super-critical symphonic listening, but I want something accurate. I like powerful, accurate, fast bass. Something that will work with the super lows of Drum & Bass, but also rock and metal.

I'm a little confused, because the reviews of these headphones are all over the place. Some say they have no sound stage. Some say they are super sibilant and painful to use. Some say they're the best thing you can get for $300. 

Any advice?
It really comes down to personal taste. It can be a love or hate thing. I've grown to really love mine, but it took some time and pad modding. They were always impressive and spectacular cans, I just couldn't abide the treble issues that came with certain recordings. Coming from the M50s and given what you say you want out of these things, I have no doubt that you'll be blown away by them. I would go for it mate.
post #16778 of 19816
I haven't noticed any burn in changes with these.
post #16779 of 19816
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post
 

My first impressions were similar.

Not sure If i got used to them or if they burned in but now I dont feel like they are laid back or distant.

 

Are you using any amp? These HP do benefit from a amp that can output about 660-900 mW power.

Yep, I've got an Audinst HUD-MX1 going to a Headroom Micro Amp.  I decided to return them to Amazon.  Just couldn't get over the perceived veil.  On the other hand, if anybody's looking for a pair of HiFiMAN velour pads which just came in this afternoon, I've got an unopened package:).  Next up:  Beyer Custom One Pro.

post #16780 of 19816

My advice is : get the He-400 if you listen to EDM music as they sounds really fantastic with a proper EQ and velour pads (not with other kind of music) and note that you need an amp to drive these HP very well.

post #16781 of 19816

I have ATH-M50s that I use at work and those were the first real cans that I ever owned. I then bought the HE-400 for use at home and I really enjoy listening to music on those. As others as have said the treble can be a bit harsh and I have noticed this as well compared to the M50. That is the only real downside I have noticed so far. However I do find myself just sitting in my desk chair and enjoying the music from my HE400. I did EQ them a bit to tone down the treble (6k-10k) range and they sound great. I listen to rock (classic, alt, indie) and R&B and they do well. 

 

I have my HE400 being driving by the Schiit Magni/Modi stack.

post #16782 of 19816
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post

I have ATH-M50s that I use at work and those were the first real cans that I ever owned. I then bought the HE-400 for use at home and I really enjoy listening to music on those. As others as have said the treble can be a bit harsh and I have noticed this as well compared to the M50. That is the only real downside I have noticed so far. However I do find myself just sitting in my desk chair and enjoying the music from my HE400. I did EQ them a bit to tone down the treble (6k-10k) range and they sound great. I listen to rock (classic, alt, indie) and R&B and they do well. 

 

I have my HE400 being driving by the Schiit Magni/Modi stack.


How do You find the Schiit stack with He-400? I'm interested in purchasing an amp For my Hifiman :-)


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post #16783 of 19816

I like it so far. The only other dac/amp that I have used is the E17 for my M50 so may be hard for me to give a proper comparison. I mainly got the Schiit stack on recommendations from others on this thread.. It was either the Schiit stack or the O2+Odac..

post #16784 of 19816
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Originally Posted by teohouse88 View Post

How do You find the Schiit stack with He-400? I'm interested in purchasing an amp For my Hifiman :-)


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To jump in here, I find the magni to do well with the HE400. However when it's combined with the modi the treble becomes a bit harsh. It also seems to close down the sound stage as well.

But then, that's just my opinion and I'll admit I'm a bit treble sensitive. My step up schiit stack (uber bifrost and lyr) is great with these but that's also a substantial step up in cost as well. The magni is a surprising amp for the cost, I just didn't find the modi to offer the same bang per buck.
post #16785 of 19816

Does anyone know if this site is off a lot on measurements ?

I was surprised where the 400's sat in bass measurements vs the other cans....

 

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