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post #16726 of 18106
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Are you listening to the HE-400 with pleather pads on?  While they're not particularly ringy with pleahters, they do sound hollow.  With velours they sound more fleshed out.  

 

If you're listening with velours, it could just be the coloration of the midrange.  The lower midrange is full and upfront while the upper midrange/lower treble is recessed.  Sennheisers are more linear throughout the midrange.  I particularly don't find them echo-ey sounding on Velours compared to Sennheisers or other more linear headphones.  


Funny you should ask. I got the velours a few days ago and agree. They do help with the tunnel effect. I don't want to blow this out of proportion. While I enjoy the HD650's a bit more on average, they 400's have their place on my desk and do shine in many areas..:) I don't want people reading my posts getting the impression that the 400's are "terrible tunnel y headphones argh!!!"

 

I have not fallen in love with the sound change with the velour yet. It has helped the tunnel effect but I sort of miss the tonal balance of the pleathers..there could also be a lot of variation in my hearing over the times of day and listening fatigue and all sorts of other things coming into play though.

 

A couple of days ago I even removed the outer grills as some people mentioned it opened up the sound stage of the 400's a lot. My first reaction was pretty negative. They lost a lot of their presence. Ended up putting the grills back on in about 45 minutes. I may try again though.

post #16727 of 18106

I wanted to thank all the guys that told me to keep listening to the HE 400. I probably need some time to get use to the sound of new headphones.

 

 -The vocals are much less intimate than the ones on the Senn HD 598, sometimes they even have less extension but overall have a better clarity and imaging and stay on focus even in songs with a lot of instruments and fast sound (The Senn have a more warm and laid back Vocals but sometimes they tend to "fuse" with other sounds, making them "confusing"). Vocals apart, the mids have a nice clarity (more than the HD 598) but some instrument like cymbals, flute, violin, cello and more seam to lack a bit in extension (maybe due to the high mids? I don't know but the details are still there).

 

 -As I said before I only listened to the HE-400 with the velour pads and I didn't notice any echo sound or harsh High that a lot of people are hearing (maybe I'm not prone or sensitive to these effects) even though Highs are really presents and if you turn up the volume sometimes they are a bit annoying but nothing major. 

 

 -The bass in the HE 400 is neutral overall (somebody describes them as boomy, dark or even muddy), I wouldn't describe their bass in any of this way, first is not boomy 'cause it simply don't kick hard unless you turn up the volume (than you start to feel a nice kick still don't imagine an overpowered bass) but than you would hear highs and mids too present and unless you like bright listening session you wouldn't find yourself often going over 80 db, second is not dark because It never invade the mid-range or obscure the sound at all, third it's not muddy because as I wrote before it never invades the mids, it never covers other sounds and it's FAST and CLEAR.   

 

 - The sound stage is somewhat weird, in certain recordings it defeats the HD 598 and in different one it doesn't. Overall it's pretty decent and thanks to the imaging and detail I think it's a step above from the HD 598. A lot of people are lamenting about a "tunnel" effect and in mine headphone is absolutely not present (fortunately), in my very little experience with equalization and sound tweaking using software I accused a tunnel effect (not with the HE 400) when messing up with the bass and mid range by tuning them up, so maybe you could solve this problem with some eq settings.

 

The HE 400 are very responsive to equalization so don't tune up them too much or you'll start to hear a lot of artifacts and unnatural sounds (under-water effect, woo sounds, and stuff like that). I tried a few foobar presets that i found in this thread but they always made the sound awkward and I wasn't able to try any of the electri-q presets because every time I try to load a preset with the electri-q foobar plugin it crushes.   

 

The HE 400 respond very well with dolby or THX tuning via software, improving dramatically their sound stage and making the vocals more present and warm without making them sound weird. If you want to watch a blue-ray the HE 400 are much better than the HD 598. If you try to apply any of those effects to the HD 598 you'll hear a lot of artifact in the vocals and a weird sound stage (almost like the vocals are filtered using a can). 

 

 -Comfort wise the HE-400 don't excel but are not terrible either. The weight is tolerable (I can wear them for several hours without any pain), I only felt they were a bit annoying just once, after 5 hours no stop of wearing them (and before I had a terrible workout so I was already sore and tired) so if you don't have a weak neck you shouldn't mind the weight. Clamping force is decent but not annoying and if it was less then the headphones will probably "fell on your ear" due to their weight. Most of the discomfort I feel is because of their velour pads (I didn't try the pleather ear pads), the pads are a bit tiny for my ear and the velour itself is made of some sort of synthetic material that don't breath at all so if you have a sensitive skin (e.g. if you are a woman or if you are prone to irritations or dermatitis) I suggest you to find some replacement.   

 

If anybody knows some ear pads compatible with the HE 400 please let me know. I read somewhere that there are some denon pads compatible but I'd prefer velour pads for the comfort. I'm not a DIY guy so I can't make them, I can barely swap ear pads XD.

post #16728 of 18106
I cannot believe the prices of used he400's on the forums right now. Absolute STEALS.
post #16729 of 18106
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I cannot believe the prices of used he500's on the forums right now. Absolute STEALS.
FTFY
post #16730 of 18106
Thread Starter 

Both are incredible bargains. Especially when there is so much unknown about the new versions coming out. Will they be a homerun out of the gate or will they need a revision to iron out the wrinkles. 

post #16731 of 18106
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post

I cannot believe the prices of used he400's on the forums right now. Absolute STEALS.

 

I certainly took advantage.:D

post #16732 of 18106
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Originally Posted by Mobilex View Post
 

I wanted to thank all the guys that told me to keep listening to the HE 400. I probably need some time to get use to the sound of new headphones.

 

 -The vocals are much less intimate than the ones on the Senn HD 598, sometimes they even have less extension but overall have a better clarity and imaging and stay on focus even in songs with a lot of instruments and fast sound (The Senn have a more warm and laid back Vocals but sometimes they tend to "fuse" with other sounds, making them "confusing"). Vocals apart, the mids have a nice clarity (more than the HD 598) but some instrument like cymbals, flute, violin, cello and more seam to lack a bit in extension (maybe due to the high mids? I don't know but the details are still there).

 

 -As I said before I only listened to the HE-400 with the velour pads and I didn't notice any echo sound or harsh High that a lot of people are hearing (maybe I'm not prone or sensitive to these effects) even though Highs are really presents and if you turn up the volume sometimes they are a bit annoying but nothing major. 

 

 -The bass in the HE 400 is neutral overall (somebody describes them as boomy, dark or even muddy), I wouldn't describe their bass in any of this way, first is not boomy 'cause it simply don't kick hard unless you turn up the volume (than you start to feel a nice kick still don't imagine an overpowered bass) but than you would hear highs and mids too present and unless you like bright listening session you wouldn't find yourself often going over 80 db, second is not dark because It never invade the mid-range or obscure the sound at all, third it's not muddy because as I wrote before it never invades the mids, it never covers other sounds and it's FAST and CLEAR.   

 

 - The sound stage is somewhat weird, in certain recordings it defeats the HD 598 and in different one it doesn't. Overall it's pretty decent and thanks to the imaging and detail I think it's a step above from the HD 598. A lot of people are lamenting about a "tunnel" effect and in mine headphone is absolutely not present (fortunately), in my very little experience with equalization and sound tweaking using software I accused a tunnel effect (not with the HE 400) when messing up with the bass and mid range by tuning them up, so maybe you could solve this problem with some eq settings.

 

The HE 400 are very responsive to equalization so don't tune up them too much or you'll start to hear a lot of artifacts and unnatural sounds (under-water effect, woo sounds, and stuff like that). I tried a few foobar presets that i found in this thread but they always made the sound awkward and I wasn't able to try any of the electri-q presets because every time I try to load a preset with the electri-q foobar plugin it crushes.   

 

The HE 400 respond very well with dolby or THX tuning via software, improving dramatically their sound stage and making the vocals more present and warm without making them sound weird. If you want to watch a blue-ray the HE 400 are much better than the HD 598. If you try to apply any of those effects to the HD 598 you'll hear a lot of artifact in the vocals and a weird sound stage (almost like the vocals are filtered using a can). 

 

 -Comfort wise the HE-400 don't excel but are not terrible either. The weight is tolerable (I can wear them for several hours without any pain), I only felt they were a bit annoying just once, after 5 hours no stop of wearing them (and before I had a terrible workout so I was already sore and tired) so if you don't have a weak neck you shouldn't mind the weight. Clamping force is decent but not annoying and if it was less then the headphones will probably "fell on your ear" due to their weight. Most of the discomfort I feel is because of their velour pads (I didn't try the pleather ear pads), the pads are a bit tiny for my ear and the velour itself is made of some sort of synthetic material that don't breath at all so if you have a sensitive skin (e.g. if you are a woman or if you are prone to irritations or dermatitis) I suggest you to find some replacement.   

 

If anybody knows some ear pads compatible with the HE 400 please let me know. I read somewhere that there are some denon pads compatible but I'd prefer velour pads for the comfort. I'm not a DIY guy so I can't make them, I can barely swap ear pads XD.

 

 

I use Beyerdynamic 990V pads (#926.679) But this is in Poland, not sure if they are named exactly the same way in other countries.

 

Those pads are the best pads, by far, that I have ever tried in any headphone (I tried around 8 cheaper headphones and about 4 mid priced headphones, both velour and plether. I strongly favour velour due to sweat issues, as well as heat build up problems).

post #16733 of 18106

Anybody try HE-400 with Q701 pads? The fitting rings from Hifiman are the easiest thing in the world to glue to the bottom of AKG pads but I'm afraid to waste $60 pads if it sounds like ass.

post #16734 of 18106

How do you guys compare these cans with the Fidelio X1?

post #16735 of 18106

I think that He-400 is one of the the better headphones for listening to EDM music...really awesome with a right Equalization ;-)

post #16736 of 18106
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Originally Posted by teohouse88 View Post
 

I think that He-400 is one of the the better headphones for listening to EDM music...really awesome with a right Equalization ;-)

 

I'd have to agree with you, the combination of the fantastic bass and crisp highs (along with detailed mids) make the HE-400 shine when listening to EDM.

 

The music I like least with my HE-400 is metal, mainly stuff like that. I feel the HD600 does a much better job and its not bad with EDM either, its just the HE-400 sounds like it was made for electronic music.

post #16737 of 18106
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Originally Posted by krelianx View Post

How do you guys compare these cans with the Fidelio X1?


 



X1 is a lot warmer and has a bigger soundstage.
post #16738 of 18106
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post
 

 

 

I use Beyerdynamic 990V pads (#926.679) But this is in Poland, not sure if they are named exactly the same way in other countries.

 

Those pads are the best pads, by far, that I have ever tried in any headphone (I tried around 8 cheaper headphones and about 4 mid priced headphones, both velour and plether. I strongly favour velour due to sweat issues, as well as heat build up problems).

Crap, I totally forgot!

 

These Pads do have a flaw: They are so soft that the pressure from the headphone on your head will squash them rather thin.

This means that there is a chance your ears might touche the driver if the are generously sized and/or angled a bit.

 

In my case it happens from time to time but never bothered me in the past, however i thought id mention it.

post #16739 of 18106
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post

Anybody try HE-400 with Q701 pads? The fitting rings from Hifiman are the easiest thing in the world to glue to the bottom of AKG pads but I'm afraid to waste $60 pads if it sounds like ass.
Ask Thurstonx lmfao.
Edited by Nimzerz - 3/12/14 at 3:15pm
post #16740 of 18106
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


Ask Thursonx lmfao.

 

I don't even... What?

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