Originally Posted by Fearless1
A 650 properly amped is more "chill inducing" then anything I have heard. No need to get angry, but until you have heard them on a well matched amp do not assume
I'll just assume you are right about my assumptions. In all seriousness though, I will demo them if I ever get the chance (or buy them if I can find them cheap), but I am more interested in exploring other brands at the moment. I want to downsize / simplify / and focus on value.
Originally Posted by Citizen13469
Hi, thanks for taking the time to respond to my impressions on the 400 and 650. It's interesting to see what speaker systems you are listening to. I run Tannoy System 10 DMT II's thru a Hafler power amp for my 'desktop' system. Yes, it's huge overkill. I came from a recording studio background so I'm pretty much all about near and midfield professional driver matched monitors. My other speakers that I use are my yamaha MSP10's. I love these as well. I also have a pair of Mackie HR624's that are well, not getting much use, although they are decent enough.
I'm no expert but the Tannoy's with their dual concentric drivers hit the sweet spot for me for imaging. I'm a believer in the system. Here's a pic. So, they are the standard by which I'm comparing headphones. I know, it's kind of pointless to compare speaker experience with headphones, but I do. These are the ones I lust for being another poor somewhat audiophile - Tannoy Prestige Series
I mostly agree with you on the 400's. They are somewhat fun. They have moments where I'm very impressed but then sometimes not at all! I'm about 45 hours into 'burn in'. Maybe they will change some more?
Oh, and about the HD650. I've listened to a lot of Sennheisers and they do sound better. For example I owned the HD598 and never ever thought it was that great. I much prefer the Sony MA900 over that one. The 650 is very musical to me. You'll probably end up with a pair some day haha. Everyone does! You can't escape them.:) They are certainly not the most accurate but I'm feeling more and more they are musical.
Anyway, have the 400's on now..:P
So much pressure to get some HD 650s lol. We'll see. "Musical" is usually a good descriptor but my next set of phones are probably focal spirit pros. Time to experience a superior "closed" phone and $350 MIGHT be a good deal.
Your desktop system IS overkill. Then again so is mine - the pioneers are running off a Class D amp which turned out to be rather awesome - totally black, and great SQ. For once going "cheap" on something didn't mean giving up quality. I've got about 170-200 RMS maybe 2 feet from my ears. The speakers work best at a minimum 3-6 feet probably, but as I wrote, image very well. So, sound appears to pour from my monitor and not the sides at only 1-2 feet away. Admittedly, I still have some "expectation bias" to work off - that 4 inch woofer just CAN'T be good - right? But it takes a beating and has a good roll off - they reach their limits and start compressing but I've not heard distortion or over-excursion. The sub blends very well and 'disappears', and if you don't push it too hard it is well behaved and won't chuff. It can't compare to my JL Microsub (the amazing ported sub that sounds sealed 90% of the time), but as far as 8's go, it impresses.
Mind you, I shopped for a decent 2.1 computer setup for awhile - in the $100-200 range. For about $300, this system destroys any of the computer 2.1s - if you can spare the space. It actually sounded damn good in the big living room too - filling it right up with good sound. Basically, my current dream system is 3 of the pioneer towers, 1 HSU 10 or 2 Pioneer subs, and a pair or two of the bookshelves and a Yamaha receiver. Other than missing out on concert level SPLs, such a system would no doubt be a fantastic music / movie system with few flaws @ about $1,000.
Option two is to finish my JBL system. I have some JBL Studio 8-inch three way book shelves (S38 series II) and the center channel in my brother's living room. They are amazing movie speakers, but less optimal for music. They have that JBL "tight" bass (sometimes lacking, sometimes perfect, sometimes "do I have a sub in here?"), and an airy midrange. But they are forward at high volume, losing some composure, and they have a very narrow and hard to find sweet spot (with exception of the center which has great dispersion). Then again the sweet spot is indeed sweet. I've thought about getting a solid 10-12 inch sub to pair with them and find some used Studio 6 inchers to hang on the wall but the cost is pretty high to finish the system vs. just going all in on Pioneer. The JBLs create a very convincing "Cinema" sound and handle Blu-Rays extremely well. Hands down, for movies, they kick all kinds of ass. They crank and handle the HD content in a way the pioneers just can't and work better in a larger room. Decisions decisions . . .
I figure monitors would be a lot more accurate and "in their element" on a desk, but they were too expensive and I wanted a full-range performance with a sub (and too much power if possible). But I am not surprised you like Concentric - I've tried that in cars and the imaging / blending is always better. But in a car, the placement sucks so you end up with better imaging / worse staging. Eventually, I am going to relocate my desk, and use stands to get the pioneers about 6 feet from my ears, toed in to the desk. The golden triangle ought to let me get the best response, widest stage, and retain solid imaging.
Ah audio. It never ends.