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(P.S. sory again for the typos in this thread.  This computer really hates me!  I ended up typing most of this entirely off screen!)

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Yes, but you're still talking about two planars made by the same company using the exact same design. When I look at something to complement another headphone I'm looking for something that provides a very different experience. Is there measurable differences between the 400 and 500? Of course. But I like to own two headphones that give me both sides of the spectrum. The 400 and 500 are not "different" enough for me to call them complementary.

 

I definitely see what yo mean and I agree about different experiences.  I'm surrprised to hear you ay that 400 and 500 are not different enough when the 50 is heralded as the offspring of HD650 with the laid back mids sound.  HE400 is sort of the "anti-650" in everything but its dark signature and notable bass presence.  You've tried both, I haven't, so I have to go on your descriptions.  But from all other descriptions I'e heard, they didn't sound all that similar to me.  The simple fact that they're brighter changes the equation a lot.

 

Keep in mind I also have K702 which is a rradically different presenttation and one I like a lot...yet iI find I'm using them less and less since I got40.   Though d2x....you must be a bass head! :) 

 

I'd considered d5x, but I don't know about closed back cans.  The only reason I would have an interest in closed backs would be for isolation if noise is preventing me from listening properly to opens.  And if isolation is an issue I do already have very nice Sure SE535 IEMs.  And Triple Fis.  Not quite the same presentation as nice closed backs.  But with two nice IEMs and a set of noise cancelling, I have a hard time pulling the triger on any closed back can purely for isolation.  Though I'd have an easier time with it were it to suddenly be a noisy day!

 

That leaves the only other cans I have an interest in as LCD2 (too similar to 400 with the dark signature), T1 (too pricy), and HD800 (way too pricy).  And HE6, but that's the same argument as HE500.I

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very sensitive to treble and very fatigue prone.   My fear with T1, and evn HE6 is that fatigue.  IMO, HE-500 would still be fatigue free, give me the natural sound with a slight fun twist I like about HE-400 with a different presentation (laid back.)  But from what you say, it's not really that different a presentation?


Edited by IEMCrazy - 4/23/12 at 6:25pm
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Okay several things...

 

1. I'm really not that best person to take an evaluation from on the he500. Comfort is paramount to me as I'm sensitive to clamp and weight. The 500 is just too heavy for me to really enjoy. And I was too nervous about bending the headband given the price knowing that I would sell it. It was a weird experience. Early in my HF journey, I snagged the he500 and LYR . I had no idea what I had really. I had started reading about planar and HFM and was immediately drawn to the product. But they were not that comfortable enough and I didn't give them the proper audition they deserved. I just knew that they were uncomfortable and that I'd sell them. 

 

Then I started reading about the he400 and knew instantly that I'd buy it. The lighter weight and more prominent bass were right up my alley. Its a perfect fit for me. I still see the 500 listed in the forums and I'm tempted to buy it again but I'll never get away from the comfort problems. 

 

2. The denon series is just an amazing hp IMHO. For a dynamic closed phone it does so many things well. The sound stage is very good for a closed phone. Comfort is stellar. It has great detail in the upper register and is driven by any amp. Fiio e10 rocks out with the d2k. How's that for amping and dac'ing your phones for under $70? And then there's that luscious bass. Hell yea, I'm a bass head. Not all the time though. Just when I want to listen to tracks with a hard bass line. But then the denon are so good that sometimes I'll even listen to them for aoustic, jazz or classical. Yes, they're that good. And I can wear them for hours on end. Sometimes I don't want the whole house to hear my phones and the closed works pretty well for that. The difference between the 400 and 500 is evolutionary. But the difference between the 400 and d2k is glacial. 

 

If you really want to hear an educated opinion on the 500's you need to talk to MalVeau. The 500's seem to be his everyday go to can which he pairs with the LYR and loves. Mal promised a nice review of the whole HFM series, 300/400/500 but I'm still waiting. Did I miss it? 

post #168 of 17929

oooh great review man.

 

 

how does the dt 990s bass compare to these?

 

i know the d2000 has alot more bass but the dt 990 is punchy and has more bass than most other mid-fi headphones. i ended up selling the dt 990 though because the T1 is like 10x better but slightly less bass.

 

 

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HE-400 hits 40hz very strong while DT990 does not.  It makes HE-400's bass so deep sounding and strong in comparison.  Planar Magnetics have god bass.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

HE-400 hits 40hz very strong while DT990 does not.  It makes HE-400's bass so deep sounding and strong in comparison.  Planar Magnetics have god bass.

 

Very true, it's an instrinsic property for well-designed planar mags to have ruler flat FR going from 50~500 Hz at the very least, if not wider.

 

If only someone other than Audeze could make cans affordable like HE400 but with flat FR going all the way down to 10 Hz, that'd be wicked. It's the main reason why LCD2/3 bass is like no other headphone.


Edited by jerg - 4/23/12 at 9:56pm
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i've wondered how the HE-400/500 compare with the LCD-2r2 subbass, the sub-bass is there, but its always in the background and doesn't always come out. especially in that 40-70 hz range.

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i've wondered how the HE-400/500 compare with the LCD-2r2 subbass, the sub-bass is there, but its always in the background and doesn't always come out. especially in that 40-70 hz range.

 

IMO sub-bass is <40 Hz. 40~70 Hz would be low bass.

 

In terms of low bass (the freqs you described), they'd be quite similar and linear, LCD2's might have slightly better/flatter resp but not by much.

 

The difference is below 40 Hz. Almost all headphones closed/open dynamic/planar/stats have a dramatic rolloff around that ballpark, including the HE400/500's (~20 dB rolloff from 40 down to 20 Hz at least, if not more, which is better than a lot of headphones but still very noticeable. LCD's, on the other hand, ruler-flat,all the way down to 10 Hz and possibly lower. I'm quite interested as to how they designed to drivers to achieve that.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

HE-400 hits 40hz very strong while DT990 does not.  It makes HE-400's bass so deep sounding and strong in comparison.  Planar Magnetics have god bass.

 

This hits the nail on the head...

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Just listened to Tom Waits "Mule Variations" with the he400's this morning. They really bring out the detail in the recording and the raw grittiness of Tom's voice. Also, the sound stage in nearly 3D. There is quite a bit of extraneous noise during this recording. Like he recorded it in his basement or something. Each time I heard one of the unexpected noises I kept looking over my shoulder thinking the noise was in the corner of my room somewhere. The sound stage is way past shoulder width. Awesome!!

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I'm actually looking to pull the trigger on buying the HE-400. Are there any comments/additional info to sway me one way or the other? I listen to Jazz/classical/rock. Are there any comparable headphones to these?

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I'm actually looking to pull the trigger on buying the HE-400. Are there any comments/additional info to sway me one way or the other? I listen to Jazz/classical/rock. Are there any comparable headphones to these?

 

Personally I love the HE-400 for jazz & classical.  I don't listen to too much rock overall, so I can't comment.  Much of it (at least of what I have around) is poorly recorded/mastered and sounds like garbage on pretty much anything to my ears.  Dave Matthews Live at Folsom Field is spectacular though.  I think these do very well for most sorts of live recording.  Overproduced music, to me, actually sounds better on cheap garbage equipment since that's what it's really produced for.

 

I expected they'd be a good headphone for electronic type music and the like but I find they're excellent for jazz & classical!

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Originally Posted by Mcberto View Post

I'm actually looking to pull the trigger on buying the HE-400. Are there any comments/additional info to sway me one way or the other? I listen to Jazz/classical/rock. Are there any comparable headphones to these?

 

I think it depends on the type of rock that you listen to.  I've found that with some rock passages, I would get frustrated.  However, when listening to those same passages on another pair of speakers or headphones, the bad sound was also displayed.  I then felt better about the job my HifiMAN's were doing.  If you listen to a lot of rock with scratchy guitar riffs, then there will be a lot of times when the music will come across as distorted.  There is really no headphone nor speaker system that will get rid of that distorted sound if that's the way it appears on the recording.  Personally, I think if some of the artists just cut back on their drug use, we might get some better sounding music that would appeal to more types of headphones.  basshead.gif

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

 

Personally I love the HE-400 for jazz & classical.  I don't listen to too much rock overall, so I can't comment.  Much of it (at least of what I have around) is poorly recorded/mastered and sounds like garbage on pretty much anything to my ears.  Dave Matthews Live at Folsom Field is spectacular though.  I think these do very well for most sorts of live recording.  Overproduced music, to me, actually sounds better on cheap garbage equipment since that's what it's really produced for.

 

I expected they'd be a good headphone for electronic type music and the like but I find they're excellent for jazz & classical!

 

I would agree with this. Live recording are amazing with the he400. DMB live at Luther College is fantastic. Alice in Chains MTV unplugged is a special recording. Jazz and classical, when I'm in the mood, sound stellar!!

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

If you really want to hear an educated opinion on the 500's you need to talk to MalVeau. The 500's seem to be his everyday go to can which he pairs with the LYR and loves. Mal promised a nice review of the whole HFM series, 300/400/500 but I'm still waiting. Did I miss it? 

 

There's a Denon 2000 vs. HifiMAN HE-300 thread where MalVeaux has provided his comments in regarding the Denon 2000s, the HE-300s and the HE-400s in.  No mention of the HE-500s, though.  His comments are quite recent, though - within the past 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

 

Personally I love the HE-400 for jazz & classical.  I don't listen to too much rock overall, so I can't comment.  Much of it (at least of what I have around) is poorly recorded/mastered and sounds like garbage on pretty much anything to my ears.  Dave Matthews Live at Folsom Field is spectacular though.  I think these do very well for most sorts of live recording.  Overproduced music, to me, actually sounds better on cheap garbage equipment since that's what it's really produced for.

 

I expected they'd be a good headphone for electronic type music and the like but I find they're excellent for jazz & classical!

 

I agree with your impressions word for word.

Pretty much every genre of music I've listened to on the HE-400s has been brilliant, except for rock which seems to be hit & miss depending on the recording.

 

 

My top 3 genres for the HE-400s are:

 

1. Goa Trance - Deep basslines, atmospheric synths, psychedelic vocals and catchy melodies all meld together so beautifully that I'm often closing my eyes and drifting off into another realm.

2. Jazz/Accoustic with vocals - I'm not the biggest fan of this genre as none of my previous setups have quite done it much justice. All I can say is nothing I've heard does vocals (especially female vocals) as well as the HiFiMAN planar series. Anything from Norah Jones' heartwarming, angelic voice to Paco de Lucias lightning quick flamenco guitar is simply breathtaking.

3. Tech House/Minimal - Nothing brings out the clean, fast bass like a bit of minimal or tech-house. It's not just the bass line that's in focus here though - vocals and ambients are really transparent and present without any separation issues with the deep, thumping bass-lines.

 

 

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