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post #16396 of 17700
The treble is definitely harsh on stock pleather pads. It's a lot less harsh with velour though it will still magnify the harshness of some poor/strident recordings. You could make/order Jergpad which further smoothes out the treble. The X3 also has treble adjustment if that's still not enough.
post #16397 of 17700
The treble isn't harsh overall, you can just hear a spike in the higher pitches in the top end of sounds that is present in varying degrees from recording to recording. On some tracks it's no problem, on others it can be really quite irritating. The Jergpads solved it 90% for me. Before that mod, I was going to get rid of them. I'm really glad I didn't and can appreciate that these headphones really can do certain things that my others can't, namely present music in such a vivid and tactile way that is most impressive with the right material.
post #16398 of 17700

Well, I listened to a speaker with a *downward sloping treble all day, and don't find the HE-400s all that nasty returning to them - if anything, their was still some brightness to the speaker that occasionally took a bite of my ears despite the fact that it measures very different.

 

The treble peak of the HE-400s is generally pretty exaggerated at this point, and not that well understood. It is more an issue of resonance than overall response. The damping of these phones is not fully optimized and that is the major design flaw.

 

That is also why modded pleathers or velour pads ($10 bucks) are fix #1. Fix #2 is just to trim the treble down a tad if you still think there is too much.

 

That's it. Hardly a big deal for what are otherwise amazing phones.

post #16399 of 17700

I've since reworked my iTunes balanced EQ to (sorta) match the Olive-Welti target curve.  It definitely does 'lift' the HE-400 out of its laxness, in a sense-- and without adding too much tinny quality that's associated with too much 2khz (*cough* re-400 *cough*)  The only downside to this is the transition from 2-4 and then 4-8khz isn't as smooth as it could be.

 

 

 

Edit: btw the HE-400 aren't too resonant at all.  Have a look at Purrin's CSDs.  About the only thing they really display is a characteristic 'ortho wall' In the upper mids.


Edited by TMRaven - 2/10/14 at 5:16pm
post #16400 of 17700
+1
I'm very sensitive to harsh treble and with a little EQ on highs it's perfect
I use velours also
post #16401 of 17700

I switch back to the pleather to see just how much different they sound compared to the velours and its like night and day to me. The pleather sounds so much more hollow and the bass has a more mid-bass to it which I don't like. Before I got these I never thought that different ear pads would make that much of a sound change.

post #16402 of 17700

^^^ Same.

 

That is why modding the pleather is also so great - they really have an overall sort of "warm" response with nothing but the spacers taken out a and a bunch of holes cut in them. The still have some resonanace / harshness this way, but it is cut rather drastically.

 

That said, I've still been preaching the velours. They are the best all around and easiest to just put on and enjoy.

post #16403 of 17700
The HFM velour pads are so stiff. The pleathers/jerpads are so much more comfortable.
post #16404 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post

The HFM velour pads are so stiff. The pleathers/jerpads are so much more comfortable.

Yeah, thats why I went with the Beyerdynamic pads.

post #16405 of 17700

can someone post Foobar EQ curve to combat the treble please  

post #16406 of 17700

For any of you considering the Emotiva mini-X a-100 to drive your HE-400's, I thought you might like to see this:

 

My finished Emotiva mini-X a-100:

 

 

You can read my DIY thread on this build here: LINK

post #16407 of 17700
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 

For any of you considering the Emotiva mini-X a-100 to drive your HE-400's, I thought you might like to see this:

 

My finished Emotiva mini-X a-100:

 

 

You can read my DIY thread on this build here: LINK

Can we get a pic of it on with the blue LED?

post #16408 of 17700
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

Can we get a pic of it on with the blue LED?


Coming. My Woo Audio headphone stand will be here next week and Im going to take a pic with the HE-500 on the stand on top of the amp powered on. Just have to wait till next week for it. But I figured since there is probably a huge influx of people getting their mini-X a-100 amps from the big Emotiva sale this week, I should get the thread and DIY up now.

post #16409 of 17700
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 


Coming. My Woo Audio headphone stand will be here next week and Im going to take a pic with the HE-500 on the stand on top of the amp powered on. Just have to wait till next week for it. But I figured since there is probably a huge influx of people getting their mini-X a-100 amps from the big Emotiva sale this week, I should get the thread and DIY up now.


Should take a pic of it with the LED before then. PLS?!?! :D

post #16410 of 17700
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Should take a pic of it with the LED before then. PLS?!?! :D


When I get home tonight Ill try and remember.

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