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post #16156 of 18140
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Originally Posted by Saraguie View Post
 

Thank you……so they are different than the stock ones so I have two choices for now.

 

 

No they're the stock ones.

post #16157 of 18140
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

I think you might be wrong. http://www.head-fi.org/t/600095/pleather-vs-leather-debunking-the-durability-myth#post_8409815

 

 

I don't even know what you're trying to say with this post.

post #16158 of 18140

Welp, it was my mistake. I just compared side by side the pads on my HE-400 and the ones I just ordered from HiFiMan and they are indeed too similar for me to say they are different. Sorry to have doubted you TMRaven.

post #16159 of 18140
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No they're the stock ones.

Ok thank you..back they go.

post #16160 of 18140
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I don't even know what you're trying to say with this post.

 

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post
 

I agree about scratching versus rubbing and becoming brittle as well.   Most PVC items tend to loose their suppleness much faster than well processed leather, and I've rarely seen pleather that didn't crack or tear within a few years, while I have many leather things that while worn, still perform as new.   I think the difference here is the pleather being discussed is a theoretical or industural-applications pleather, but such a creature is virtually never seen in the consumer sphere.   The Protein Leather(TM) in use by HiFiMan seems to be sold largely for automotive upholstry purposes.  That stuff is probably the real deal, but is probably one of the very few cases of seeing the real thing in the consumer realm.  So for consumers, outside the few cases, "pleather" almost always seems to mean "low grade pleather", while leather usually means "high grade leather." 

 
 

basically, i was just saying that it seems like the Hifiman protein leather is nice quality.

post #16161 of 18140

Yes, they're nice quality pads.  I would have much preferred to use them over the velours for their feel on the skin and ease of cleaning, but it sucks that they sound bad.  I don't even like the Jorg-mod.

post #16162 of 18140
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basically, i was just saying that it seems like the Hifiman protein leather is nice quality.


I think so. Seems to be on par with my Denon AH-D5000 leather pads and thats always been good enough for me. I had the J$ pads for the AH-D5000's once and didnt think they were worth any extra money. Havent felt the need to mess around with pads since.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Yes, they're nice quality pads.  I would have much preferred to use them over the velours for their feel on the skin and ease of cleaning, but it sucks that they sound bad.  I don't even like the Jorg-mod.


Sorry for igniting the pad conversation again Lol.

 

Clearly, the P-Leathers for sale RIGHT now are exactly the same as those coming with my HE-400s over a year ago. They are great pads, they don't get dirty, and the foam feels good without the spacers. But I have been anti-pleather anyway for awhile.

 

The only remaining "Mod" for the pleathers I can think of trying is cutting out the mesh - which is thicker / blocks more light than the mesh on the velours, which are so thin I can see the drivers. I don't think anyone has tried that yet. If it were replaced with something equally transparent, maybe that would be a finishing touch? But otherwise I have to assume that the pleather walls are ultimately more reflective than the velours, which are like wall-to-wall carpet.

 

Yet it looks as though the 400i and 560 have been shown with P-Leathers so far. We'll have to see. Man I can't wait for a review!

post #16164 of 18140

Guys, after messing a while with software EQ using different programs, I just can't get a satisfactory result. Every time I mess with a range, to me the music sounds very unnatural. In particular I mess with the lows and when I do instead of getting that extra impact that I want, the bass just sounds louder (not better) while the mids and lows tend to sound muted and lack any sort of detail. 

Tinkering with the preamp slider makes things even worse.

Now, activating bass boost on my receiver adds extra punch with really no audible difference as regards the mids and the highs!

I think that the receiver has an advantage as it works with the signal at hardware level, unlike software EQ which tries to artificially enhance the sound? I don't know it's just my theory, but I just can't find satisfaction with EQ.

 

Can you recommend me amplifiers with hardware boost/EQ?

post #16165 of 18140
Thread Starter 

^^ fiio e17 works great!! 

post #16166 of 18140
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^^ fiio e17 works great!! 

Yes! Excellent! And what options do I have for desktop?

post #16167 of 18140
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A vintage receiver works wonderfully. :biggrin: (sorry but he asked)

post #16168 of 18140
Here are my impressions of the he 400. Keep in mind that I am only very new to the audiophile hobby, and I'm sure you will pick that up as you read on. The he 400s are my first set of high end headphones.


So I have finally been able to listen to my he 400s. Have gotten a few hours under my belt, and I have to say, I am very impressed. Firstly I played them through my iPad first to check if the replacement cable did in fact work, which it did. As this was my first listen to high quality headphones (previous best was sennheiser hd280pro) I was very impressed with the clarity and the open sound of the headphones. My iPad could reach decent volume levels, but I kew that the bass wasn't as big as people said it would be. My next move was to unbox and plug in my schiit M&M stack. There I discovered the benefits of the amp, and dac. They really took the sound up a notch. More bass was the most noticeable thing for me. Acoustic guitar to me sounds amazing, and I'm hearing things in songs that I have never heard before. I did notice the strong treble, so I eq'd it down a bit and I was happy enough as it didn't really bother me.

For the real show, I connected the headphones to a retro sony stereo reciever. WOW. That BASS. No, I don't only listen for bass, I love the clarity, instrument separation, and the overall sound quality of the headphones as well, but the bass quality and quantity is just marvellous.

The comfort of these headphones is absolutely perfect. It might be my head shape, but they fit perfectly, and I don't find a problem, with the clamping pressure at all.

I have only used the pleather pads at the moment. I will invest in some vealours in the near future.
post #16169 of 18140

Ha! Well my receiver isn't vintage, should I start looking for something else? Nah honestly I love my receiver I get great sound out of it. It's a low to mid-range product but I can't find any fault with it. :dt880smile:

 

post #16170 of 18140
Thread Starter 

^^ The meters!! :eek: Love 'em..

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