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You should have gotten a weird, black, cheap sack to put them in. Better than nothing but, having had cats, it won't stop them for long. I've seen them saw through plastic-jacketed steel-mesh braided HDTV cable. I mean, why? Because the cat felt like it, that's why. Lol.

Mine was purchased b stock and never came with any sack. There's no way for my cat to get into the cabinet at least.
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post #16127 of 17993
So, letting a friend borrow my he400 because he said his Bose would spank it, and he hands me a 7 yr old stereo receiver. I'm curious, in general do receivers power headphones decently?
post #16128 of 17993
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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post

So, letting a friend borrow my he400 because he said his Bose would spank it, and he hands me a 7 yr old stereo receiver. I'm curious, in general do receivers power headphones decently?


In general, yeah, most receivers have plenty of power and should give sound quality at least at the level of a cheap headphone amp, often better. 

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In general, yeah, most receivers have plenty of power and should give sound quality at least at the level of a cheap headphone amp, often better. 

Thanks, it's a beautiful looking receiver. I can't wait to see how the he400 sounds on it.
post #16130 of 17993

When i used my receiver i got a more detailed, less weighty sound, less dynamics.  

with the schiit asgard headphone amplifier, same tonality but gave more weight to everything

matter of preference.  Basically i thought the headphone amplifier was better  and it is but afterwards

i found myself trying to mod the pads to get back some of the advantages of the receiver

post #16131 of 17993

these planar headphones are ridiculously awesome transducers.  i haven't been listening to my rather expensive speakers lately but i played a little last night and now i'm like "where'd all this awesome sound i thought these things had?  ruh oh, dang you he-400!!!!"  

now they seam edgy, not enough weight, not smooth enough dynamics, i notice crossover.

so i'm thinking i might need to sell them or try a good amp atleast to give them a chance.  if i do sell them i'm just going to go with something cheaper with height, lots of bass and good off axis responsefor use with home theater.  then spend a little more on some really good desk tops/bookshelf speakers for the audiophile in me.  all this of course after i get 500's or 560's

definitely getting a sub or two at good ol tax time


Edited by DoctaCosmos - 1/22/14 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post

So, letting a friend borrow my he400 because he said his Bose would spank it, and he hands me a 7 yr old stereo receiver. I'm curious, in general do receivers power headphones decently?

 

Um...heck yea!! The right receiver will power hp's beautifully especially planars like the he400. One of the best setups that I ever had was the he4 with the Pioneer sx1280 receiver. 

post #16133 of 17993
Yeah I agree, I mean, my parents' denon avr2808ci receiver powers the he500 beautifully.
post #16134 of 17993
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Some receivers, especially vintage ones, use the same amp stage for the hp out. And the planars just seem to love that extra power. My Pioneer has a very tubey sound although it is solid state of course. 

post #16135 of 17993
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Some receivers, especially vintage ones, use the same amp stage for the hp out. And the planars just seem to love that extra power. My Pioneer has a very tubey sound although it is solid state of course. 

Interesting comment, I was playing with a couple receivers and felt the same way even though they are both SS. My 1980's sony sounds just awesome with the 400's but I don't like my modern onkyo with them
post #16136 of 17993

I know some receivers are excellent at driving headphones, but others, like my Sony from the 90s are pretty meh. It's hard to generalize. 

post #16137 of 17993
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Interesting comment, I was playing with a couple receivers and felt the same way even though they are both SS. My 1980's sony sounds just awesome with the 400's but I don't like my modern onkyo with them

 

Once you get into the mid 80's, things changed pretty drastically. But there are some 60's and 70's receivers that are just phenomenal. 

 

Take the Fisher 500c. If you can find one in decent shape for under $1k, they are simply amazing. Possibly the most refined balanced sound that I've ever heard for both speakers and hp's. 

 

Most of the 70's Pioneers are very good with the sx1280 being my favorite. But the Sansui 9090 is also excellent. If you are driving the he400 or any planar hp and haven't gone to your local thrift store/goodwill are picked up a nice vintage receiver for under $100 you're missing out. 

post #16138 of 17993

Just making the announcement that, after several weeks, I put the modded pleathers (no spacer rings) away and am back to the velours. Some comments:

 

Spacer Rings - definitely something I hate about them. Pleather much more comfy without them. Either the seal quality, or the distance of driver to ears seems to impact sound quality somewhat - I consider it better without spacers than with. Something warm, fat, and nice about modded pleathers, but resonance problems live on, particularly when I've been listening to piano music. Fatigue sets in, and my ears get hot.

 

Back to Velours - 'wow these are kinda stiff', and definitely putting more distance between ears and drivers. Yet here that is not a SQ issue but more of an ergonomic one. Still soft and cool on the ears though. Not sure how good the seal is, but they definitely cup my ears in a different way. The ringing in the pleathers (even after mod) just doesn't seem to be present with the velours. Bass response and reach seems about the same, but maybe a tad less weight and, as noted, 'dryer' in presentation. Vocals actually seem more prominent to my ears, and yet more relaxed at the same time. Resonance is not a problem, and more detail may be the case because they do in fact, measure more treble configured this way.

 

Relaxed is the best word immediately coming to mind - more detailed and more spacious at the same time. The pleathers sound great, too, but a bit choked by comparison - performance has been left on the table.

 

Not that anyone cares about my personal flip-flopping, but if were chief engineer for Hifiman, I would probably conclude that the stock velours are really the way to go with these. The pleathers seem a little fatter and 'warmer', but they introduce resonance problems in the midrange that make the HE-400s sound more congested than they really are with some music. I can only speculate that the memory foam is too dense, or that there needs to be more of it and a better shape.

 

Maybe when they are released, someone can put some 400i pads on these and evaluate them - with frequency response charts and waterfalls . . . (Jerg, Purrin, Tyll  . . . . . ). SCIENCE!

post #16139 of 17993

I can agree with all that, regarding stock velours vs any variant of the pleathers.

post #16140 of 17993
Does this include the jerg pads?
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