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post #16006 of 18674
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Originally Posted by ZacRobbo View Post

Forgive me if this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but do the he 400s really require the recommended 150 hours of burnin. It seems excessive to me, does the sound change much?

My he 400s arrived earlier today, but THE CABLE WAS DEFECTIVE. the right connector of the cable was broken, so I will have to wait till it gets replaced to finally listen to them, it's hurting me having them next to me but not being able to listen to them.


 

Happened to my set too, received a faulty cable. But was replaced after a few days

 

On a separate case: Ive burned in the HE400 for well about 50-60hours now. I pair it with Fiio X3 and also E12:

Unfortunately i do not think that both are powerful enough to drive the headphones. Im in the verge of returning the HE400

No plans to upgrade to desktop amp/dac at this point though

post #16007 of 18674
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Originally Posted by mopiko View Post
 

 

Happened to my set too, received a faulty cable. But was replaced after a few days

 

On a separate case: Ive burned in the HE400 for well about 50-60hours now. I pair it with Fiio X3 and also E12:

Unfortunately i do not think that both are powerful enough to drive the headphones. Im in the verge of returning the HE400

No plans to upgrade to desktop amp/dac at this point though

Whaaa?  Do you listen to it at earsplitting levels?  My X3 drives the HE400 easily at volume 25.  If I turn the volume all the ways they work like 2 channel speakers.  

post #16008 of 18674
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Originally Posted by mopiko View Post
 

 

Happened to my set too, received a faulty cable. But was replaced after a few days

 

On a separate case: Ive burned in the HE400 for well about 50-60hours now. I pair it with Fiio X3 and also E12:

Unfortunately i do not think that both are powerful enough to drive the headphones. Im in the verge of returning the HE400

No plans to upgrade to desktop amp/dac at this point though

If you are talking about power in terms of decibels, that set up should be good to get the loudness you want. If you're talking about power in terms of synergy, I'm not surprised. Fiio product already make the horribly flawed HE-400 treble even worse. Even a bigger issue I see, why are you trying to force an HE-400 into a portable solution?!

post #16009 of 18674
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Originally Posted by mopiko View Post
 

 

Happened to my set too, received a faulty cable. But was replaced after a few days

 

On a separate case: Ive burned in the HE400 for well about 50-60hours now. I pair it with Fiio X3 and also E12:

Unfortunately i do not think that both are powerful enough to drive the headphones. Im in the verge of returning the HE400

No plans to upgrade to desktop amp/dac at this point though

 

I am with Roguegeek.  My RSA Hornet made the HE-400 way too bright.  It sounded great from my Ipod Classic via LOD into an ALO National.  It kind of reminds me of listening to them on my WA6.  The HE-400s even sound better from an Ipod Touch -> CLAS Solo -> RSA SR-71B.

post #16010 of 18674
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Could you provide the file of any song you hear this background crackling on?

 

 

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Originally Posted by manbear View Post

It could be that the HE-400 is picking up crackling in the songs that you just can't hear on other speakers or headphones, but this is only a guess.

 

 

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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post

I've noticed this when comparing to dt800s and hd650s. I'm not sure if it is unique to these cans or generalized to all planars. Maybe mastering engineers need to start testing their tracks on planars.

 

Sorry for taking this long to reply.

I'm not sure what is happening but it seems it might be a software issue. I listened to the same songs on YouTube and the crackling is almost always inaudible.

To listen I tipically use my PC with Winamp or VLC (for video files). Any and all EQ or effects are disabled.

I'm not sure that I can provide files without infringing any rules.

 

@jshaffe: can you be more specific? I'd like to determine if we are talking about the exact same issue

post #16011 of 18674
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

So if there isn't much benefit going from the Magni to the Asgard 2 what about from going to the Lyr?

 

I'll disagree with Raven on this one. I hear a good bit of difference going from the magni to the A2. In simple terms the magni has a harsh leading edge to upper range that I didn't like. While the A2 is also a clean mostly neutral amp, there is no harshness and there is wonderful rendering of music that never sounds strained...just refined, effortless. There is linage borrowed from the mojo for the A2 for sure. 

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Originally Posted by ZacRobbo View Post

Forgive me if this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but do the he 400s really require the recommended 150 hours of burnin. It seems excessive to me, does the sound change much?

My he 400s arrived earlier today, but THE CABLE WAS DEFECTIVE. the right connector of the cable was broken, so I will have to wait till it gets replaced to finally listen to them, it's hurting me having them next to me but not being able to listen to them.


 

 

It's shameful IMO that after all this time, all the cable problems with the he400...that HFM continues to ship them. The cable on the he4 was brilliant. For shame...:o

post #16012 of 18674
Thread Starter 

Since we talk a lot about pads here, I thought I'd post this:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/ces-2014-comply-oem-headphone-ear-pads

 

Hmm...

post #16013 of 18674
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Originally Posted by Tristan944 View Post

I don't really know how to phrase this question, but I'll do my best. How do headphones produce sounds that sound up (above the head) and down (below the head) and all the spaces in between? I know how they make sounds appear left and right, but I swear I hear some sounds above and below others.

What you are referring to is soundstage. The why, is because with accurate sound representation we can trick our brains in to a false perception. The how, is why some engineer is getting paid big bucks to design headphones.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/590377/what-is-soundstage/15
post #16014 of 18674
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Real talk:

 

Unless you reaaally like the sound signature of the HE-400, your money is best spent in getting a new headphone if you're looking fora chunk in sound quality increase.

 

I second that. DON'T Start buying crazy expensive Amps/DACs looking for a big change in SQ, you won't find it. A better way to start tweaking the HE-400 is with the easy recommended Mods, well documented with step-by-step guides. OR, search this thread for EQ ideas. The HE-400 will response to both. AMPs/DACs are really about two things: features and power. Get the features you want, and the power you "need". Any SQ benefits comparing amp to amp are usually too slight to base a decision on (unless there is a problem, or serious difference in specifications). You have more than enough power for the HE-400 already, and a great DAC. If you are getting the amp itch, try reverting back to powering the HE's with a Mp3 player, Phone, or basic computer. Then plug in the Schiit again. I am sure that will help. :wink_face:

 

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Originally Posted by Taker64 View Post
 

I thought the treble was the upper mids. When I set my EQ like this, the 400's sound incredible.

 

Taker - What is your source and amp? I honestly assume that you are either pulling everyone's leg, or you have a system with severe treble roll-off. Then again I don't have a lot of content that really REACHES well into the upper reaches, so the impact of that EQ profile is probably slim. Why don't you also Boost 5-20 hz about 10 dB and try them out? :L3000:

post #16015 of 18674
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I'll disagree with Raven on this one. I hear a good bit of difference going from the magni to the A2. In simple terms the magni has a harsh leading edge to upper range that I didn't like. While the A2 is also a clean mostly neutral amp, there is no harshness and there is wonderful rendering of music that never sounds strained...just refined, effortless. There is linage borrowed from the mojo for the A2 for sure. 

 

 

But at the same time it's not as if the Asgard2 will magically take away the harshness in the mid-upper treble of the HE-400.  The HE-400 still sounds like the HE-400 out of both amps.

post #16016 of 18674

I've found that a better amp (or one that mates better with a certain headphone) and DAC will certainly improve the sound of the HE-400's and most over better headphones. For instance, I find that the HE-400's and HE-500's for that matter sound great with the Schiit Audio Lyr. It's my opinion that gear is getting so good that it doesn't take long (or much money) until you start reaching the point of diminishing returns. You'll probably find that a $1000 DAC or amp doesn't always sound twice as good as the right $500 DAC or amp. I've never heard the Asgard 2 with either the 400's or 500's, but I have no doubt that its a very well designed solid state amp and would probably sound great with either headphone plus it can be used as a single source preamp as well. If you own the HE-400's and are considering the Lyr you should give it a try and if you're not pleased with it you have the option of returning it. When driven by the Lyr I'm not getting the brightness in the treble that some have had an issue with, plus the Lyr made my K701's sound fuller and more dynamic than I've heard them sound via other amps that I have on hand. Of course, your mileage my vary. 

post #16017 of 18674
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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post
 

Whaaa?  Do you listen to it at earsplitting levels?  My X3 drives the HE400 easily at volume 25.  If I turn the volume all the ways they work like 2 channel speakers.  

+1

post #16018 of 18674

wouldn't say the treble is horribly flawed.  you bought a headphone that was engineered to have a more forward treble.  I think the treble sounds fine.  just too much of it for my taste. 

post #16019 of 18674

So I just sold my HE-400 this week to an owner that is going to appreciate them more than I have. He brought up a question that I wasn't able to answer on them, but I'm positive it should be easy to figure out since I'm sure everyone wrestles with it. Like practically all HE-400s, the L and R designations rubbed off on the copy I sold. I forgot about it and didn't clearly mark which was which when I took the cables off to put everything back in the packaging. Is there a way to determine which is the right and left sides of the can after the designations have worn off? Does it not matter what side is what as long as the cable orientation is correct?

post #16020 of 18674

Cable orientation doesn't really matter.  The pads are completely round so it's not like there's a right and wrong way to put the HE-400 on.  Best way would be to get a recording you really know that has key features in either the right or left channel, then mark the cups accordingly.

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