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post #15976 of 18140
It seems in general that Hifiman made some awesome drivers for the 400s and stuck them in a generally poorly designed headphone. The pads are a disaster, and the grills are too impeding. Perhaps instead of testing these things they just released the headphones so we could figure it out and they will fix it in the next version of the can.
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No, velour pads.
Interesting, I find my 400s with my hybrid tube amp to be somewhat V shaped and therfore lacking in warm mids and upper mids.
post #15977 of 18140
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Originally Posted by jshaffe View Post

It seems in general that Hifiman made some awesome drivers for the 400s and stuck them in a generally poorly designed headphone. The pads are a disaster, and the grills are too impeding. Perhaps instead of testing these things they just released the headphones so we could figure it out and they will fix it in the next version of the can.

Interesting, I find my 400s with my hybrid tube amp to be somewhat V shaped and therfore lacking in warm mids and upper mids.

 

This has been MS procedure for windows releases since the very beginning. ;)

post #15978 of 18140

I wouldn't say that the pads are a disaster or that the grills are too impeding at all for the hifiman headphones.  I tried taking my grills off the HE-400 and the difference is literally less than 1-2% in sound-- not even worth it.  Hifiman sure thinks it isn't worth it either because they kept the same grills for their next line of headphones.  The biggest difference in perceived openness will come from having a single-ended design.  The creators of the Abyss were persistent on this idea, as they chose that as a strategic option in subjective sound even though they knew it had technical shortcomings.

 

The stock pleathers of the HE-400 are pretty deplorable as far as subjective sound quality goes, but they're quite decent as a pad goes-- high quality protein pleather instead of the cheaper fuzzy velour.  The velours sound better with the HE-400, and I'd consider them a worse pad than the pleathers.  Of course I would argue that every headphone needs a leather pad that's angled and has an oval-shape opening to accommodate for the natural shape of our ears, but then I'd be saying that 99/100 headphones on the market have bad earpads.

 

 

Also, HE-400 has plenty of warmth in the lower mids-- it's overwhelmingly warm there for a lot of people because the upper mids-- which people usually associate with colder headphones-- are lacking.


Edited by TMRaven - 1/14/14 at 7:24am
post #15979 of 18140
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Same! I just got confirmation that mine have shipped, they should arrive in a few days.

What amp are you going to hook these into?

Unfortunately, they won't be hooked up to an amp right away. I'm looking at snagging a Bottlehead or an Antique Sound Labs MKIII.

post #15980 of 18140
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I have mine paired with a Woo WA-6 (has a nos 5AR4/GZ34 rectifier) and i really love the sound. The HE-400 sounds very smooth and thick sounding. Some would probably say to thick but i really love it.

 

FWIW though i really didn't enjoy my HE-400 that much till i did the Jerg pad mod, re-grilling mod and replaced the stock rectifier in my amp. The treble was horrible very "tizzy" as a lot of others say. The mods really helped this a lot but the tizzyness was still there just not as bad, after i replaced my rectifier it completely went. I suspect the stock rectifier in the WA-6 is just garbage and was half the problem with the treble.

Great thanks for that commentary.  I always liked the WA6 paired with my RS1/HF1.

 

I'm generally a quiet / low volume listener, being very conscious about hearing protection.  Every now and then I do turn it up.  Do you find the WA6 has enough headroom and clean power to adequately push and damp the HE-400?... does it "fart-flab out" the bass at higher volumes?  Is the overall low sensitivity of the HE400 an issue with the WA6?

 

FWIW my main amp is darkvoice 337 with Tung sol mesh plates and 5998s.  I modded it with Hammond output transformers, the same ones they use on the Mad Ear+.  I think it and the WA6 are in the same ball park, in terms of power output.  But yeah, rectifier tubes I think are a whole nother' ball game.

 

Thanks for the reply!!

 

A bit OT...

Oh and some of you were asking about headphone tracks, heres another..."Lenny" by SRV.  Some of that hum and background buzz you hear on this tune (as well as Little Wing) is the hum of his guitar amps, and its in the recording.  IMHO its one of the characteristics of SRV and I think adds to the charm of his music.  he didn't use noise gates or anything like that in either his signal chain or studio processing... just pure tones, AC buzz and all.  It wouldn't surprise me if the reverberation in this track is the natural room acoustics and not post-processing effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLTcxM6XoMA

 

Conversely... someone was mentioning distortions and poorly recorded tracks.  Heres my personal worst offender, from one of my favorite bands sadly.  You can hear it in the intro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kJWkmtjoX4

post #15981 of 18140
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Unfortunately, they won't be hooked up to an amp right away. I'm looking at snagging a Bottlehead or an Antique Sound Labs MKIII.

Make sure to avoid the Bottlehead Crack. It doesn't power these cans well. Not suited for 35 ohm headphones at all.

post #15982 of 18140
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Make sure to avoid the Bottlehead Crack. It doesn't power these cans well. Not suited for 35 ohm headphones at all.


Yep, Ive got one, it is well noted that its no good with low impedance cans.

post #15983 of 18140

funny you mentioned noise gates as it has been used in producing for a long time and sometimes i swear there are producers that don't know what it is. Been an issue of mine for a while

post #15984 of 18140

Any folk/rock/etc (i.e. not rap/metal) songs that show off these guys?

post #15985 of 18140
Well, for the first time ever, I decided to listen to a tv show through headphones as supposed to the soundbar I've been using for years... It is a bit shocking just how much doing this brings the background music forward. I'm really quite impressed, and at the same time it just feels so strange! The only comparison I can make to a similar experience would be the first time wearing glasses 10 or so years ago, which was the first time my poor depth perception has been corrected, so everything just felt so much more real than before.
post #15986 of 18140
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Any folk/rock/etc (i.e. not rap/metal) songs that show off these guys?


Virtually anything by Steven Wilson / Porcupine Tree. I also really enjoyed Jack White's album. Lord Huron. Susan Tedeschi. The Black Crowes Croweolegy is an excellent recording if you like the band. The Lumineers. I actually really like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs on these phones - particularly the newer albums.

 

But lately I've been on Pandora and just can't tell you what I'm listening to - a lot of it is just weird. Meaning, I am weird.

post #15987 of 18140
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Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
 

A bit OT...

Oh and some of you were asking about headphone tracks, heres another..."Lenny" by SRV.  Some of that hum and background buzz you hear on this tune (as well as Little Wing) is the hum of his guitar amps, and its in the recording.  IMHO its one of the characteristics of SRV and I think adds to the charm of his music.  he didn't use noise gates or anything like that in either his signal chain or studio processing... just pure tones, AC buzz and all.  It wouldn't surprise me if the reverberation in this track is the natural room acoustics and not post-processing effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLTcxM6XoMA

 

Conversely... someone was mentioning distortions and poorly recorded tracks.  Heres my personal worst offender, from one of my favorite bands sadly.  You can hear it in the intro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kJWkmtjoX4

I don't really hear distortion with Rush - I mean, it sounds intentional. But I didn't really like the effect, either.

post #15988 of 18140

Hey,

 

Can any of you guys chime in on this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/698898/upgrade-from-schiit-magni#post_10166172

 

I'm trying to figure out if there is much of an improvement to be had with the HE-400 by upgrading from a Magni to a more expensive amp.

 

Thanks. 

post #15989 of 18140

I can't say for the vali, but from going from Magni to Asgard2 there isn't much improvement.  With the Uber Bifrost feeding the Asgard2 there's a more noticeable improvement, but it's not like the HE-400s become transformed.

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I can't say for the vali, but from going from Magni to Asgard2 there isn't much improvement.  With the Uber Bifrost feeding the Asgard2 there's a more noticeable improvement, but it's not like the HE-400s become transformed.

so you think going from the Modi to the Bifrost (with Uber) would be a bigger improvement than going from a Magni to something like the Asgard2?

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