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post #15721 of 18332

I agree.  When I got my 400's I was convinced I wouldn't like the sound until 150 hours or so after reading this thread.  I switched to the velour pads after 2 hours of listening and I honestly haven't been able to tell much of a change in the sound signature.  I think my ears have adjusted to the HE sound more than anything.  Just start listening to these when you get them.  I don't see a whole lot of benefit of just letting them burn in a ton.  I personally thought they sounded great out of the box.

post #15722 of 18332

Mine sound great right out of the box yet I'm so use to burning in audio gear that I did hook them up to the Lyr and ran them in for around 100 hours or so. I played pink noise, heavy drum wavs (on repeat) along with a ton of Jazz through them and while they're burning in and I'm not listening to them during the process so that I don't get accustom to their sound 

 

They sound incredible with the Lyr in my opinion, I'm going to pickup an Asgard 2 very soon to use with IEM's and for use as a preamp in my office system. I'm also curious to see how they sound via the Asgard 2 vs the Lyr. I use the velour pads.

post #15723 of 18332
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

No need to burn them in.  Listen to them right when you get them.


+1

I definitely think one should listen to the headphones right out of the box, as well as whenever you feel like listening to music during the burn-in process. I'm skeptical about burning in, but I see no harm in letting them play overnight for a few days if it makes you feel better. Even if one does believe in burn-in though, there is no harm in listening to the headphones during the process. I don't understand how anyone could just have new headphones sitting there burning in without listening to them. We're not cooking food here -- the headphones are safe to use before they are "done." 

post #15724 of 18332

Just when I thought I was set on getting the Schiit Vali to use with my HE-400 I saw the Little Dot MK1+ for $116 and the fact that its so easy to change the OP amp and tubes to get different signatures is very enticing to me. Its a little less powerful but enough for my HE-400 and HD600 and I think it would power the HE-500 just fine. If there's some people that have experience with the MK1+ let me know about the over all signature and the tubes used.

post #15725 of 18332

I am curious how much better a tube amp is than a solid state. I just got my Schiit Magni in but I could still return in and get the Vali or the MK1+. That is a good price for the MK1+. 

 

Any thoughts on if a tube amp would be better for the HE-400? I was thinking of getting the Schiit stack with the Magni and Modi.

post #15726 of 18332

You might like tubes more, or you might not. Trying them and finding out is part of what makes this hobby fun!

post #15727 of 18332
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Originally Posted by manbear View Post
 

You might like tubes more, or you might not. Trying them and finding out is part of what makes this hobby fun!

 

It also kinda makes the hobby suck too.  Like right now I'm indecisive on if I should get a tube amp or not.  There are no definitive answers out there.  I have the magni.  Will I hear a difference?  Some people say its day and night, some say its subtle.  If I decide to get a tube amp, which one should I get?  Should I get the Vali?  Some say it doesn't sound much different than the Magni. Some say its bright.  Some say its warm. Some say it doesn't have much of a tube sound.  Some say it has a tube sound.  How about the MK1+?  Seems like it can power the HE400 fine but its a hybrid.  Will it really have a true tube sound?  How tubey will the sound be?  Will I be able to judge whether I like the tube sound or not based on a hybrid?  Or maybe I should stop playing around with lower end amps and get the Lyr? But is it really worth almost 4x the price of the Vali?  Does it sound 4x as good.  Some people say no.  I understand it maybe worth it with a HE500 or LCD-2 but its not clear if its worth it for the HE400.

post #15728 of 18332

I don't like that aspect of the hobby either.  I spent my extra 200 on One Piece instead.  I don't see myself dumping anymore money into head-fi for the next year.

post #15729 of 18332

Yeah it was already a bit difficult for me to finally take the plunge and get these over the Q701 or HD598 or DT990/DT880 and then yet another area of questions arises. Which amp to get. 

 

Regardless I know I will enjoy these hp once I get them. Really looking forward to putting these hp to use.

post #15730 of 18332

Just got my velour pads.   While they are more comfortable than the pleathers, the overall sound is warmer and frankly a bit duller.  I prefer the pleathers.  

post #15731 of 18332
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post
 

I am curious how much better a tube amp is than a solid state. I just got my Schiit Magni in but I could still return in and get the Vali or the MK1+. That is a good price for the MK1+. 

 

Any thoughts on if a tube amp would be better for the HE-400? I was thinking of getting the Schiit stack with the Magni and Modi.


The Vali and the Magni are both WAY cheap enough. Buy both and compare. Resell the one you like less. Schiit gear holds its value better than any other.

post #15732 of 18332
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Originally Posted by wjp007 View Post
 

Just got my velour pads.   While they are more comfortable than the pleathers, the overall sound is warmer and frankly a bit duller.  I prefer the pleathers.  

How many hours have you got on the he-400? I started out liking the pleathers much more but after 150hours (yeah EXACTLY 150hours..lol.), the sound opened up and the velours sounded much better. Also, amped. 

post #15733 of 18332
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post
 

I am curious how much better a tube amp is than a solid state. I just got my Schiit Magni in but I could still return in and get the Vali or the MK1+. That is a good price for the MK1+. 

 

Any thoughts on if a tube amp would be better for the HE-400? I was thinking of getting the Schiit stack with the Magni and Modi.

The reality is even if you spend $1000 on an amp, you'll never know if you like it until you hear it, or until you compare it to something else. There's no perfect amp, only perfect for you. 

post #15734 of 18332
I've been scanning this thread and I can't find where I can buy the jerpads from? Link or directions would be appreciated.
post #15735 of 18332

I think I'm going to go with the Racoon SG200 or SG300. ClieOS has a nice review of the Uber Muzik Tiny Tube Dac which is the Racoon SG200 just under a different name, they have the exact same body and internals . Its a positive review and he even thought the old dac it uses was pretty good. If you want to read his review here's the link, http://www.head-fi.org/t/550692/impression-ber-muzik-tiny-tube-dac

 

The SG300 is only around a $12 difference and the Cirrus Logic CS4398 dac chip is one that I've heard of before and is a pretty nice dac over all. Both the SG200 and SG300 use the same Psvane 12AT7-T tube which is a good tube that are normally $40+ but I still plane on getting some other tubes to do some rolling with and see what kind of signature changes I can get. I think they'll be a good pairing with the HE-400 and will smooth out the highs a bit while giving the mids a bit of style and a more open soundstage. After I get them and have burned the tubes in I'll report back with what I think of them.

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