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post #15706 of 18673

There are no graphs that show imaging of a headphone.  First off headphones never truly image in the first place.  There are factors like frequency response, clean decay, driver matching etc that help the headphone convey a really crisp stereo image.  Anything else is a component of psychoacoustics, and it just so happens that the open-ness and frequency response of the HE-400 allows to have a sound that can extend out rather deeply and layered at times.

 

I'm sure distancing the driver a bit has something to do with these companies' choices for their headphones, but I'm also pretty positive that fit has a lot to do with it as well.  Oval shaped angled pads that are thicker in the back just fit better than round, flat pads like on the HE series.  Our ears are naturally oval shape and thicker in the back.  The HD800 is really the only headphone I know of that has a very expansive sound that also doesn't give up on definition and clarity.  I've not heard any of the Stax though.

 

Yes I tried fully modding a pair of pleather pads I didn't use anymore into jergs.

post #15707 of 18673
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Well it looks like I own a pair of HE-500's now too. Jumped on a deal I just couldnt pass up. Now I need a proper amp to do some real comparisons between these two. I will only keep one, but WHICH one is the question :) Itll be a couple weeks before I get the HE-500 and some proper amping though. Thinking of ordering the Emotiva X-100 A1 now, but Im still thinking about going the Schiit Asgard 2 route...

 

Audio-GD has some wicked powerful amps for really competitive prices. You should take a look at their site, plenty of options.

post #15708 of 18673

i'm guessing my definition of dark is different/or wrong lol than what you guys see it as.  When i first put on the velour pads, the sound was airier and there was no restricting domain that the sound came from. A more open sounding headphone.  Switch back to the pleather and the sound seams to have a darker domain that the sound comes from and is less airy.

Warm is how i describe a bassier headphone

post #15709 of 18673

  As manbear pointed out, it has to do with the reflections of the ear.  I have seen this too.  You can't say that it's not true if you don't know the science behind it.  Just like i can't say that it does.  On the other hand i have read that it does make for better imaging and seeing that other companies use it in their flagships says something to me. 

post #15710 of 18673

i don't see how frequency response can effect stereo image.  You can get a stereo image with just one note

post #15711 of 18673
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 

Well it looks like I own a pair of HE-500's now too. Jumped on a deal I just couldnt pass up. Now I need a proper amp to do some real comparisons between these two. I will only keep one, but WHICH one is the question :) Itll be a couple weeks before I get the HE-500 and some proper amping though. Thinking of ordering the Emotiva X-100 A1 now, but Im still thinking about going the Schiit Asgard 2 route...

 If you get the Emotiva and decide to keep the HE-400 instead of the 500, you'll be in the same boat as me  :) I'm pretty happy with it, but I've never heard the A2 so IDK about which of those two you should get. One thing to keep in mind is that the Emotiva is a bad choice if you want to use dynamic cans with it, due to resistors screwing up the damping factor. No problem for planars though. Of course, you don't have to use resistors, but then you might have noise floor or volume travel issues depending on the headphone sensitivity. PM me if you want some details about adapters and resistors for the Emotiva. 


Edited by manbear - 1/6/14 at 11:06am
post #15712 of 18673

Frequency response doesn't affect stereo imaging, it affects how open sounding people perceive their headphones to be.  

 

Edit:  And yes it's not a definite thing just like the angled pads.  I've heard some exceptions here and there as well when it comes to the frequency response affecting the perceived open-ness of a headphone.


Edited by TMRaven - 1/6/14 at 11:07am
post #15713 of 18673
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I'm just being facetious, but one possible reason that all the high-end models angle the drivers is that it is the fad of the day.

I tried jerg's method of angling the pads, but I had difficulty getting the plastic rings to clip in and gave up on it. The jergpad thread suggests that angling the pads makes some difference in soundstage and imaging, so you may be right, but IDK. Something about changing the reflections on the exterior of the ear? 

You mean the sewing method I kinda mentioned some time ago? It really shouldn't affect pad installation though, just use the credit card or mini flathead screwdriver as per usual to pop in the tabs.

 

You know I have a mod recently written up about countering the backwave reflections off the ears right (signature)? :cool:

post #15714 of 18673
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You mean the sewing method I kinda mentioned some time ago? It really shouldn't affect pad installation though, just use the credit card or mini flathead screwdriver as per usual to pop in the tabs.

 

You know I have a mod recently written up about countering the backwave reflections off the ears right (signature)? :cool:


I'm talking about putting pieces of foam on the plastic rings to increase the space between the rings and headphone's mounting area. I think you called it the bassvent or backvent mod. I haven't looked at your thread in a while though, I should check it out and see what's new :) 

EDIT: Wait, I think I've seen the new mod you're talking about -- thin felt strips on the frame in front the driver? That looks promising but IDK if I have the patience to do it properly. A little worried about filing the felt and getting fuzzy bits in the drivers too. Fortune favors the bold I suppose. 


Edited by manbear - 1/6/14 at 11:16am
post #15715 of 18673
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 If you get the Emotiva and decide to keep the HE-400 instead of the 500, you'll be in the same boat as me  :) I'm pretty happy with it, but I've never heard the A2 so IDK about which of those two you should get. One thing to keep in mind is that the Emotiva is a bad choice if you want to use dynamic cans with it, due to resistors screwing up the damping factor. No problem for planars though. Of course, you don't have to use resistors, but then you might have noise floor or volume travel issues depending on the headphone sensitivity. PM me if you want some details about adapters and resistors for the Emotiva. 


Thanks manbear, I will if I decide to go that route. I plan on getting the Schiit Bitfrost with Uber Upgrade and USB for my DAC so one of their amps will have a point on its side since it will stack nicely with the Bitfrost. That being said I have read from so many places that the Emotiva Mini-X A-100 with the HE-500's is a great pairing and that's making me second guess things. Sigh, its always so hard when we cant just buy all of it and compared and decide for ourselves!


Edited by ben_r_ - 1/6/14 at 2:04pm
post #15716 of 18673

Well I just bought these cans and should be getting them in by Weds. These will be my higher end cans. I have some M50s, V-Moda M80, Ety ER4p, Shure E2C and some HD201 when I first started off. I also got the Schiit Magni that will be powering these. Very excited to get these cans and I will update on my thoughts. 

 

What are people using to burn these cans in? I normally would just let my play songs from my media library and let it go overnight. 

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What are people using to burn these cans in? I normally would just let my play songs from my media library and let it go overnight. 


That's what I do. IDK if it makes any difference, but hey, why not. 

post #15718 of 18673
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post
 

Well I just bought these cans and should be getting them in by Weds. These will be my higher end cans. I have some M50s, V-Moda M80, Ety ER4p, Shure E2C and some HD201 when I first started off. I also got the Schiit Magni that will be powering these. Very excited to get these cans and I will update on my thoughts. 

 

What are people using to burn these cans in? I normally would just let my play songs from my media library and let it go overnight. 


I burn in all my new cans, mostly just so when people come back with "you need to let them burn in longer before you decide" I can say "yea, they did for 80-100 hours!". That being said I just loop through a playlist at a volume slightly higher than I would ever listen to it at and let them play under a pillow or two on the couch in my office for at least a few days.

post #15719 of 18673
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That's what I do. IDK if it makes any difference, but hey, why not. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 


I burn in all my new cans, mostly just so when people come back with "you need to let them burn in longer before you decide" I can say "yea, they did for 80-100 hours!". That being said I just loop through a playlist at a volume slightly higher than I would ever listen to it at and let them play under a pillow or two on the couch in my office for at least a few days.

 

Thanks all. Pretty much what I was going to plan on doing.

post #15720 of 18673

No need to burn them in.  Listen to them right when you get them.

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