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post #15691 of 18082
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

People tend to put too much emphasis on the upper treble when it comes to determining whether a headphone is bright or not.  Yes, the HE-400 is bright in the upper treble as there's a big peak there.  However, the HE-400 is overall a dark headphone.  If I were to EQ the upper treble of the HE-400 down and compare it to say, an LCD2, I'd say the LCD2 is the brighter headphone because it has much more upper mids-- about 6db more from 3khz to 5khz.

Ehhh.

 

HE400s are emphasized in mid-treble too (8k-11kHz or so) and I think that's where most of the perception of brightness comes from. Upper treble is overrated in terms of their impact on overall performance IMO.

post #15692 of 18082

I consider anything 10khz and above upper treble.  When I think of mid treble I think of the hard mid treble that say an LCD2 has, which is around 8-9khz.

 

Regardless we're thinking of the same thing, and the HE-400 is overall a dark headphone.

post #15693 of 18082

I agree with you that the he-400 is maybe overemphasized at frequencies over 14kHz, but I only have a pair of Sennheiser 598 to compare to. Perhaps some would define bright at the high end of the treble spectrum when it can be a bit broader than that.

 

Thanks for clarifying and I'm just trying to learn and enjoy my new found hobby.

post #15694 of 18082
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I consider anything 10khz and above upper treble.  When I think of mid treble I think of the hard mid treble that say an LCD2 has, which is around 8-9khz.

 

Regardless we're thinking of the same thing, and the HE-400 is overall a dark headphone.

My feeling is that LCD2s have the "hard" treble because the definition region of treble is a tad peaky/uneven, in terms of absolute levels it is much less emphasized relative to bass/mids than any Hifiman (even HE500 which are probably the warmest in the lineup).

 

From all the measurements I've seen it's very inconsistent though, with regards to the treble behaviour of LCD2s, they had a hard time keeping consistency. Perhaps some LCD2s have smoother treble than others as a result.


Edited by jerg - 1/6/14 at 8:42am
post #15695 of 18082
Maybe I'm wrong but what constitutes as bright or dark has to do with the harmonics/overtones produced rather than whether the treble is more (quantity) or forward sounding. In the case of the he400, I'd say it's a slightly darker can as each note is more bottom heavy. Not as dark as the hd650
post #15696 of 18082

That's fine.  My ears are enjoying the headphone more now.  I don't see how it's hard to comprehend.  Yes it's a dark headphone but the added space and angled pads give the headphone more room for the dynamics to breath.

post #15697 of 18082

I feel bad giving my opinion as it could possibly interrupt jerg's business but it is what it is.  The jergpads helped by dampening the sound but the headphone still has huge body and needs to breath. My modded d2000 pads have dampening material in them that is visible and is in a space that allows it to dampen the sound too but also adds more space between the ears and the driver. And it's a known science that angling the drivers gives much better imaging.  Some people like fast in your face sounds.  I don't.  Now the sound is more separated, smoother, more coherent dynamics and the sub bass is more prominent while staying balanced with the rest of the spectrum. 

post #15698 of 18082

Angling the drivers isn't a known science to give better imaging.  It's a hit or miss thing.  The HD800 pulls it off well, the AD700 sounds spacy, but has piss-poor definition.  The M50 is completely lackluster, and the LCD2 is below-average for being an open headphone.

post #15699 of 18082

its a hit or miss thing for what?  you can't compare one headphone to another in that matter.  you have to compare a headphone to itself being angled and not being angled. 

post #15700 of 18082

I know what you mean about comparing apples to apples, but I'm also saying that angling the drivers through the drivers themselves or the pads won't make a headphone magically spacious and defined sounding.

 

I highly doubt there's any science behind it either-- only subjective impressions.  If you showed me data that proved otherwise I'd **** my pants.

post #15701 of 18082

cause there's graphs that show how a headphone images..

every company that sells angled driver headphones says it's to get the best imaging.  So  while i don't know the exact science behind it i'm sure there is.

But while not trying to sound rude, why would all the high-end models angle the driver whether it be with pads or in the enclosure itself?

Denon's, audeze, beyerdynamic, sennheiser,  

Did you mod your jerg pads?  if so did you do the last step?

post #15702 of 18082

Well it looks like I own a pair of HE-500's now too. Jumped on a deal I just couldnt pass up. Now I need a proper amp to do some real comparisons between these two. I will only keep one, but WHICH one is the question :) Itll be a couple weeks before I get the HE-500 and some proper amping though. Thinking of ordering the Emotiva Mini-X A-100 now, but Im still thinking about going the Schiit Asgard 2 route...


Edited by ben_r_ - 1/6/14 at 2:05pm
post #15703 of 18082
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post

 

every company that sells angled driver headphones says it's to get the best imaging.  So  while i don't know the exact science behind it i'm sure there is.

But while not trying to sound rude, why would all the high-end models angle the driver whether it be with pads or in the enclosure itself?

Denon's, audeze, beyerdynamic, sennheiser,  

 


I'm just being facetious, but one possible reason that all the high-end models angle the drivers is that it is the fad of the day.

I tried jerg's method of angling the pads, but I had difficulty getting the plastic rings to clip in and gave up on it. The jergpad thread suggests that angling the pads makes some difference in soundstage and imaging, so you may be right, but IDK. Something about changing the reflections on the exterior of the ear? 

post #15704 of 18082
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 

Well it looks like I own a pair of HE-500's now too. Jumped on a deal I just couldnt pass up. Now I need a proper amp to do some real comparisons between these two. I will only keep one, but WHICH one is the question :) Itll be a couple weeks before I get the HE-500 and some proper amping though. Thinking of ordering the Emotiva X-100 A1 now, but Im still thinking about going the Schiit Asgard 2 route...

 

The A2/he500 combo is pretty good. I had this setup for a couple of months and enjoyed it quite a bit. The he500 works also with the lyr which will add dynamics and some potent punch and slam in the bass region, but it will come at a premium with the lyr being about 2x as expensive as the A2. 

 

For a wildcard you could grab a vintage receiver off a local CL deal. 

post #15705 of 18082

hey it could be lol.  If i were to guess i imagine that you can increase the distance of the driver to the ear by angling it thus not having a headphone that you have turn to turn side ways to walk through a door with<exaggeration

and yes the reflection of the exterior of the ear thing but its been a while since i've seen the reading on it. 

Personally, i feel that just the added distance of the driver to the ear is why i'm having great results with the denon pad.  Might be the additional angling of the pads, might not.

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