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post #15526 of 17740
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post
 

yes i think the headphone is worth the $400 asking price because of its fast speed and  very detailed nature.  However before the mod i didn't really like the headphone at all due to its presentation with music.  The size of the driver renders a very large sound that is very impressive yet i found it to be overwhelming and the excessive body of the highs made it an incoherent headphone to me except with EDM. While it has a large soundstage the body of the sound is so large that it almost overwhelms the openness it offers.    A headphones ability is not to be confused with how it actually presents the music.  The Jerg mod opened the soundstage up a bit by taking away some of the thickness of the sound, opening it up a little bit and making the presentation more coherent and allowing the mid focus of the headphone to be more present.  The headphone still screams EDM with the prominent non-airy highs  with in your face transients that EDM calls for and that to me is why it is a $400 headphone and no more. 

BTW i use a Schiit Asgard and a peachtree audio DAC *IT   

Thanks for the review. I am leaning more towards the He-400 simply because driving an He-500 seems too complex/expensive. I am glad the He-400 is to your liking. Would you say the He-400's sound like cineplex movie audio? Do they give that deep bass and all that? Thanks.

post #15527 of 17740

If hifiman used the same keen eye to create the 500 as a more natural music presentation as they did when they creatively made the 400 with the v style frequency response  Then i imagine it will be an amazing headphone.  

post #15528 of 17740

technically i don't like the headphones.  I respect the technology but the presentation is not for me. 

post #15529 of 17740

My HE500s are much more natural-sounding than my HE400s (both modded), just FYI if anyone cares. Instruments and vocals all have the correct balance of bass, mids, and treble.

 

HE500s have "slower"-sounding drivers than HE400s, which is why I've strived to implement more tweaks like the Fuzzor mod to pull the HE500s in line with regards to speed too. The 400s will always have the tighter bass, but it's fairly minor relative to what HE500s have over the HE400s, when all the mods are said and done.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

My HE500s are much more natural-sounding than my HE400s (both modded), just FYI if anyone cares. Instruments and vocals all have the correct balance of bass, mids, and treble.

 

HE500s have "slower"-sounding drivers than HE400s, which is why I've strived to implement more tweaks like the Fuzzor mod to pull the HE500s in line with regards to speed too. The 400s will always have the tighter bass, but it's fairly minor relative to what HE500s have over the HE400s, when all the mods are said and done.

Thanks everyone for the comments. I like how you said "correct balance of bass, mids, and treble" since that might be what I really want. Is your audio-gd amp/dac a good pairing with the he-500? In order for me to go for the he-500 I need to find a good amp/dac for them which is proving difficult. 

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Originally Posted by raxx View Post
 

Thanks everyone for the comments. I like how you said "correct balance of bass, mids, and treble" since that might be what I really want. Is your audio-gd amp/dac a good pairing with the he-500? In order for me to go for the he-500 I need to find a good amp/dac for them which is proving difficult. 

The audio-GD is adequate for HE500. It pumps about 1.8W into HE500's 38Ohm impedance which is about the sweetspot in terms of headroom for volume. The DAC implementation is very neutral.

 

The cans have a warm tilt (everything 1kHz and below is about 3dB louder than everything above 1kHz) and midrange is fairly thick/lush (enough that I try to mod that away somewhat), so neutral or even slightly dry solid-state amping pairs quite well.

 

Definitely a lot more forgiving to entry-level amping than the line of single-digit Hifiman brethren.

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Thought to write this Jergpad story here: Several months ago I purchased the HE400's, and while clearly a step up in terms of perfomance, several things bothered me about them. They were unforgiving of less than stellar recordings and the presentation didn't seem very natural. So I ended up purchasing the HD650's- so forgiving and natural sounding. But they're slow- I missed the fast decay of the HE400's. Enter Modulor's Jergpads. Now the HE400's sound almost as natural as the HD650's, and the treble spike which caused earlier discomfort is much less pronounced. I now reach for the HE400's- they're more detailed, they're quicker- with Jergpads they're a superior headphone than the HD650's. Honestly the treble spike really turned me off for awhile. And if the recording is very sub par, the HD650's make virtually any recording listenable. Jergpads helped to demonstrate how great HE400's can be, and am considering one day HE500- if my wallet can handle it, and it's not too heavy. TL;DR
Jergpads are the saving grace of the HE400.
Edited by Zuckfun - 12/28/13 at 4:05pm
post #15533 of 17740
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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Thought to write this Jergpad story here: Several months ago I purchased the HE400's, and while clearly a step up in terms of perfomance, several things bothered me about them. They were unforgiving of less than stellar recordings and the presentation didn't seem very natural. So I ended up purchasing the HD650's- so forgiving and natural sounding. But they're slow- I missed the fast decay of the HE400's. Enter Modulor's Jergpads. Now the HE400's sound almost as natural as the HD650's, and the treble spike which caused earlier discomfort is much less pronounced. I now reach for the HE400's- they're more detailed, they're quicker- with Jergpads they're a superior headphone than the HD650's. Honestly the treble spike really turned me off for awhile. And if the recording is very sub par, the HD650's make virtually any recording listenable. Jergpads helped to demonstrate how great HE400's can be, and am considering one day HE500- if my wallet can handle it, and it's not too heavy. TL;DR
Jergpads are the saving grace of the HE400.
Now, this is what I need to hear. I'm counting on this result when I receive my Jergpads.
Edited by amigomatt - 12/29/13 at 4:33am
post #15534 of 17740

hey anyone interested in picking up the HD600 headband cushion for the headband mod on the HE400? I'm probably going to return mine, but if someone wants it, PM me.

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Is the HE-500s treble similar to the HE400? I have found the treble to be the weak link on this pair of headphones. Just trying to figure out if it's a problem w/ my source or if it's something I can improve w/ a different tube or amp or dac or if I am going to have to find another pair of headphones :( I really love orthos tho and at the $300 price point (black friday sale price), I don't think there is anything else that can compete (or does someone know of any other options)? I really love the bass (texture/detail/extension) & overall sound quality (clarity, resolution, speed, sound stage) on the HE400.

post #15536 of 17740

you can use a programs called REW (RoomEQWizard) or TrueRTA to see if you dac is altering the frequency response of your headphones by connecting your dac via usb to computer then looping an rca to 3.5mmm cable into your microphone jack on your computer and run a pink noise signal through to see what your frequency response looks like.  a ss amp should not change the frequency of a planar just possibly not competently power it resulting in less body.

post #15537 of 17740

but i doubt it's your dac or amp

post #15538 of 17740

Well I've been playing with the stock pleathers, the extra velours that came with my pair, and my D2000's stock pleathers. The velours are junk...the seams coming apart, the sound too tinny, bass is all but removed, the comfort level imho reduced...aside from the feel on skin, the pressure on skin is worse. At least with the set of velour pads I recieved. Junk.

 

Fair enough, well the stock pleathers were sorta comfy but sounded great. The range was there, the bass was present with slight impact. Then I removed the foam rings and the impact increased, yet I felt like I lost very little to no treble, mid or separation...though my untrained ears may just be trained for bass...and these being so clear by nature are amazing in comparison to my normal HP stock.  I was hesitant to remove the foam spacers below the pleather pads due to my ears already touching the grills, but the comfort increased substantially regardless of my big dome and big ears. 

 

Then a wild hair to try my D2000's earpads kept tugging at me...the most comfortable headphones with the most comfy pleather pads ever...sitting there. Why not?

 

Well worth it! Comfort increased! Clamp pressure is great and solid...not worried about them falling off yet they're soft on my dome. Great! Sub bass seems to have come out a little more, impact is as good if not a little better than stock pleathers minus foam rings. This is a winning combination for bassheads that want excellent bass and solid impact from an opened back planar magnetic headphone. I am so amazed by these, I am in disbelief what my FiiO E9 and Denon AVR-1613 bring from them. The E9 has more raw power and bass, but the Denon AVR brings out a more well-rounded sound and better separation. At this point I'm on the E9 and loving it! 

 

Anyone else try D2000 pads? Thoughts?

post #15539 of 17740

kursah, i use to think the velours were junk too.  Then i received my amp back from warranty (asgard) and relized i had been under powering them (technically).  Once powered correctly the velours sounded better.  However i too thought they were uncomfortable and stil didn't agree with the over-all presentation of the 400.  I decided to do the jerg mod and it opened the headphone up a bit.  Now i think i liked the headphone more when i wasn't giving it enough power because i was hearing more details and microdynamics.  now the full body of the sound overwhelms them.     I might have to borrow my old denons to try the pads out.  Maybe more air space will calm things down

post #15540 of 17740
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Originally Posted by Kursah View Post

Well I've been playing with the stock pleathers, the extra velours that came with my pair, and my D2000's stock pleathers. The velours are junk...the seams coming apart, the sound too tinny, bass is all but removed, the comfort level imho reduced...aside from the feel on skin, the pressure on skin is worse. At least with the set of velour pads I recieved. Junk.

Anyone else try D2000 pads? Thoughts?

Do the d2000 pads go on the plastic hifiman clip rings without modding the pads? Very interesting
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