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post #15511 of 20003

Well I've had these for a little over a week now. They are amazing!

 

I wasn't super impressed with the bass at first, but I will admit that they have really come into their own now. I fixed a connection issue with my FiiO E9 and the power it puts out to the HE-400's is pretty damn awesome. Though less power, my percieved audio quality overall and seperation is better from my Denon AVR-1613 vs. the E9's brute force amping.

 

Beyond that, removing the foam ring on the pleather pads works great for comfort...I may do the beyer headband pad addition soon. I am curious on earpads...I was thinking about Alpha pads, but can't seem to find too much on them. I may try my D2000 pads eventually too seeing as they're so amazingly comfortable. But I am interested in the Jerg pads. That is in the future, atm I am pretty content overall...they sound so good with all of my music I'm glad I took the recommendations in a previous thread I made on a different forum seriously..and the price, $319 shipped was the tipping point between these and some Mad Dogs. So far, very very very happy I went with these even if they're open-back and that limits my use of them in a full house of kids and women. 

 

I am reading through this thread, but there's so many pages to go through...I'm hoping to read more about different pads like the ones I listed to see what will work best for me. I want to keep as much bass or improve on it as possible. I appreciate these phones because to my ears there's soooo much more detail and openness and the bass more surrounds the sound than interrupts it nor does it seem to muddy anything up that I've noticed! Awesomeness!

post #15512 of 20003

Hmmm I thought the cable on my HE400 was broken, I think it is the connector thing... Can anyone test for me and tell me if the little plastic bit is supposed to come off when you pull it? Is it supposed to do that so you cannot snag the cable? When I screw them both on tightly they work ok and it does not cut out but on one side if I pull the cable it will disconnect from the headphones and there is a little white piece of plastic.... Can somebody confirm this for me plz?


Edited by nicholars - 12/28/13 at 8:57am
post #15513 of 20003
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Hmmm I thought the cable on my HE400 was broken, I think it is the connector thing... Can anyone test for me and tell me if the little plastic bit is supposed to come off when you pull it? Is it supposed to do that so you cannot snag the cable? When I screw them both on tightly they work ok and it does not cut out but on one side if I pull the cable it will disconnect from the headphones and there is a little white piece of plastic.... Can somebody confirm this for me plz?


If both connectors are screwed in on mine, they do not disconnect when pulled on. Very snaggable. 

post #15514 of 20003
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Hmmm I thought the cable on my HE400 was broken, I think it is the connector thing... Can anyone test for me and tell me if the little plastic bit is supposed to come off when you pull it? Is it supposed to do that so you cannot snag the cable? When I screw them both on tightly they work ok and it does not cut out but on one side if I pull the cable it will disconnect from the headphones and there is a little white piece of plastic.... Can somebody confirm this for me plz?


Mine started out like yours is now. It got to where it would fall out just with head movement. I tries a few ways of repairing it (epoxy, self vulcanizing rubber, electrical tape). I really think that this is a defect and is not normal.

 The dealer that I got it from (TTVJ, thank you) is working on getting me a replacement. I am hoping this would be easier and quicker than waiting for something from China.

If that doesn't work out, I guess I will contact Hifiman directly to get a replacement. I have them taped up for now, and they are working.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, I would like to hear them.

post #15515 of 20003

Did the ol jergpad mod today. minus a step and changed another.  More cavity for the sound to open which attenuates the overly large size of the highs making the sound more coherent. V shape is still there however and because of the frequency response they are (to me) the main focus of the headphone. Also less resonance making the image more focused

post #15516 of 20003

this really is a different yet same headphone.  even the sub bass is more prominent.  Much less congested headphone.  i was wondering if planars weren't for me but i think a pair of these on some he-500's would be sublime.    Thanks Jerg and Modular

post #15517 of 20003
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post
 

this really is a different yet same headphone.  even the sub bass is more prominent.  Much less congested headphone.  i was wondering if planars weren't for me but i think a pair of these on some he-500's would be sublime.    Thanks Jerg and Modular

I am still debating the he-400 vs he-500. Since you like your he-400's with the jerg pads, what do you think of them as a $400 hp? What amp/dac do you use? Thanks.

post #15518 of 20003

yes i think the headphone is worth the $400 asking price because of its fast speed and  very detailed nature.  However before the mod i didn't really like the headphone at all due to its presentation with music.  The size of the driver renders a very large sound that is very impressive yet i found it to be overwhelming and the excessive body of the highs made it an incoherent headphone to me except with EDM. While it has a large soundstage the body of the sound is so large that it almost overwhelms the openness it offers.    A headphones ability is not to be confused with how it actually presents the music.  The Jerg mod opened the soundstage up a bit by taking away some of the thickness of the sound, opening it up a little bit and making the presentation more coherent and allowing the mid focus of the headphone to be more present.  The headphone still screams EDM with the prominent non-airy highs  with in your face transients that EDM calls for and that to me is why it is a $400 headphone and no more. 

BTW i use a Schiit Asgard and a peachtree audio DAC *IT   

post #15519 of 20003
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Originally Posted by DoctaCosmos View Post
 

yes i think the headphone is worth the $400 asking price because of its fast speed and  very detailed nature.  However before the mod i didn't really like the headphone at all due to its presentation with music.  The size of the driver renders a very large sound that is very impressive yet i found it to be overwhelming and the excessive body of the highs made it an incoherent headphone to me except with EDM. While it has a large soundstage the body of the sound is so large that it almost overwhelms the openness it offers.    A headphones ability is not to be confused with how it actually presents the music.  The Jerg mod opened the soundstage up a bit by taking away some of the thickness of the sound, opening it up a little bit and making the presentation more coherent and allowing the mid focus of the headphone to be more present.  The headphone still screams EDM with the prominent non-airy highs  with in your face transients that EDM calls for and that to me is why it is a $400 headphone and no more. 

BTW i use a Schiit Asgard and a peachtree audio DAC *IT   

Thanks for the review. I am leaning more towards the He-400 simply because driving an He-500 seems too complex/expensive. I am glad the He-400 is to your liking. Would you say the He-400's sound like cineplex movie audio? Do they give that deep bass and all that? Thanks.

post #15520 of 20003

If hifiman used the same keen eye to create the 500 as a more natural music presentation as they did when they creatively made the 400 with the v style frequency response  Then i imagine it will be an amazing headphone.  

post #15521 of 20003

technically i don't like the headphones.  I respect the technology but the presentation is not for me. 

post #15522 of 20003

My HE500s are much more natural-sounding than my HE400s (both modded), just FYI if anyone cares. Instruments and vocals all have the correct balance of bass, mids, and treble.

 

HE500s have "slower"-sounding drivers than HE400s, which is why I've strived to implement more tweaks like the Fuzzor mod to pull the HE500s in line with regards to speed too. The 400s will always have the tighter bass, but it's fairly minor relative to what HE500s have over the HE400s, when all the mods are said and done.

post #15523 of 20003
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My HE500s are much more natural-sounding than my HE400s (both modded), just FYI if anyone cares. Instruments and vocals all have the correct balance of bass, mids, and treble.

 

HE500s have "slower"-sounding drivers than HE400s, which is why I've strived to implement more tweaks like the Fuzzor mod to pull the HE500s in line with regards to speed too. The 400s will always have the tighter bass, but it's fairly minor relative to what HE500s have over the HE400s, when all the mods are said and done.

Thanks everyone for the comments. I like how you said "correct balance of bass, mids, and treble" since that might be what I really want. Is your audio-gd amp/dac a good pairing with the he-500? In order for me to go for the he-500 I need to find a good amp/dac for them which is proving difficult. 

post #15524 of 20003
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Originally Posted by raxx View Post
 

Thanks everyone for the comments. I like how you said "correct balance of bass, mids, and treble" since that might be what I really want. Is your audio-gd amp/dac a good pairing with the he-500? In order for me to go for the he-500 I need to find a good amp/dac for them which is proving difficult. 

The audio-GD is adequate for HE500. It pumps about 1.8W into HE500's 38Ohm impedance which is about the sweetspot in terms of headroom for volume. The DAC implementation is very neutral.

 

The cans have a warm tilt (everything 1kHz and below is about 3dB louder than everything above 1kHz) and midrange is fairly thick/lush (enough that I try to mod that away somewhat), so neutral or even slightly dry solid-state amping pairs quite well.

 

Definitely a lot more forgiving to entry-level amping than the line of single-digit Hifiman brethren.

post #15525 of 20003
Thought to write this Jergpad story here: Several months ago I purchased the HE400's, and while clearly a step up in terms of perfomance, several things bothered me about them. They were unforgiving of less than stellar recordings and the presentation didn't seem very natural. So I ended up purchasing the HD650's- so forgiving and natural sounding. But they're slow- I missed the fast decay of the HE400's. Enter Modulor's Jergpads. Now the HE400's sound almost as natural as the HD650's, and the treble spike which caused earlier discomfort is much less pronounced. I now reach for the HE400's- they're more detailed, they're quicker- with Jergpads they're a superior headphone than the HD650's. Honestly the treble spike really turned me off for awhile. And if the recording is very sub par, the HD650's make virtually any recording listenable. Jergpads helped to demonstrate how great HE400's can be, and am considering one day HE500- if my wallet can handle it, and it's not too heavy. TL;DR
Jergpads are the saving grace of the HE400.
Edited by Zuckfun - 12/28/13 at 4:05pm
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