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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

My experience exactly.

I dispensed a ton of mineral oil in the yoke swivels and now they swivel freely, which is much better because the earcups can now easily self-adjust to my head every time I put them on.

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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Really? Did you get a used pair without a tight grip? I could damn near head-bang with the HE-400's on and not have this issue at all.


I am no where near "head-banging" at all. The headband actually does bend...it is somewhat pliable. The cups don't exactly follow suit though. I really could have lived with this...it is more the sibilance that was turning me off.

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Interesting impressions thanks because I am interested in the LCD-2, although I am not sure about the efficiency bit, I pretty sure that the HE400 are more efficient than both the HD650 and LCD-2. Darker and less sparkly than the HD650 though hmmm. HD650 was a bit too dark already!

This is strange for me because I've always thought the hd650 has a darker presentation than the he400. But maybe I should think in terms on distance. Or perhaps the speed of the he400 gives a brighter impression.
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Originally Posted by nabwong View Post


This is strange for me because I've always thought the hd650 has a darker presentation than the he400. But maybe I should think in terms on distance. Or perhaps the speed of the he400 gives a brighter impression.

 


Edited by nicholars - 12/11/13 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I dispensed a ton of mineral oil in the yoke swivels and now they swivel freely, which is much better because the earcups can now easily self-adjust to my head every time I put them on.

I tried using some WD40 and didn't have a whole lot of success. I ended up playing around with the swivels to get them symmetric and fitting nicely on my head and they stay that way permanently. Not the best solution, but it works.

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Thanks for this. Actually I wanted to quote the other guy and agree with your assessment. Haha.
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Originally Posted by nabwong View Post


Thanks for this. Actually I wanted to quote the other guy and agree with your assessment. Haha.

 

Maybe you hear the HD650 as brighter because you notice that lump in the midrange which is not there on the HE400. I would say the HD650 are "thinner" sounding but not brighter. HE400 have more meat on the bones whereas HD650 can sound a bit thin (with EQ).

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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post
 

Im positive not all units come out the same on HE-400 and LCD-2 so its possible your measurements dissagree with others. 

The only part im really interested in is transparency... seems like a huge improvment over the HE-400.

I wouldn't say its HUGE improvement, but a large step up. The transparency is one of the three wow factors for the LCD-2 for me. The other two being the mids and the bass. 

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Interesting impressions thanks because I am interested in the LCD-2, although I am not sure about the efficiency bit, I pretty sure that the HE400 are more efficient than both the HD650 and LCD-2. Darker and less sparkly than the HD650 though hmmm. HD650 was a bit too dark already!

fixed the efficiency bit, but yeah i'm not too sure about the treble of hd650 vs lcd2. I didn't find 650 too dark personally. LCD-2 is certainly quite a bit darker than he-400, although the upper midrange has way more presence on the LCD-2 than 400

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Originally Posted by nabwong View Post


This is strange for me because I've always thought the hd650 has a darker presentation than the he400. But maybe I should think in terms on distance. Or perhaps the speed of the he400 gives a brighter impression.

There actually seems to be *sparkle* on LCD-2, as in high freq. extension, albeit quieter than 400

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^^ I would agree with the inconsistency from Audeze still. The lcd2 that I got a few weeks ago was nothing like the one I auditioned. While I appreciate the graph they send, my ears don't lie. It was unquestionably  bass light. 

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Maybe you hear the HD650 as brighter because you notice that lump in the midrange which is not there on the HE400. I would say the HD650 are "thinner" sounding but not brighter. HE400 have more meat on the bones whereas HD650 can sound a bit thin (with EQ).

 

No no, that's what I'm trying to say. I DON'T hear the hd650 as brighter. The he400 definitely possesses more sparkle for me (more with velours than pleathers) along with a more extended low end.

 

I don't know if I feel that the hd650 are thinner but they're definitely farther sounding. 

 

Yes, the he400 has more meat (core) to the sound. 

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While I'm satisfied with my new HE-400s, I have to admit that past the 200$ mark the diminishing returns really kick in. While I do think these are humongous improvement from the Sennheiser HD598s, they arent twice the headphone. I think I might have reached the absolute maximum I'm dropping into headphones.

 

For EQ, I ever so slightly bumped 50 - 100hz range upwards, lowered the ear piercing peak at 1,2kHz by 4db and also again at around 14kHz. Otherwise the range is quite good.

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Sometimes I wonder on this diminishing returns as well. Then I look at the equipment and say...well maybe my built-in amp isn't providing enough juice, even at 900MW @32ohm. This is after all a planar magnetic. I'm quite certain the the D100s DAC is more than capable of reaching the HE400 on its sound potential but doubting on the amp. So.... I upgrade.

I will have in my possession very soon a balanced cable and about 4000MW of power through an Audio-GD NFB10-SE. There will be no doubt now if I am underpowering these planar magnetics... so we shall see. Head-fi is an expensive place to roam around.


Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 12/11/13 at 3:28pm
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I recently upgraded my DAC from the HRT Music Streamer II, my first DAC, to the Resonessence Concero. I'm not going to argue that it was clearly "worth the money" (in fact, I felt a bit guilty about it first, considering that it was my most expensive audio purchase to date), but I most definitely hear a difference between in it and my old DAC. The tricky thing is that part of the difference is just a different presentation that's not necessarily better or worse, and the other part of the difference is where the improvement lies. 

The HE-400 clearly shows the differences between the DACs, and it shows that the Concero is better. I hear more separation between different layers of sound, so complex passages never get muddled. The single most distinct difference in absolute quality that I hear more low-level details -- I hear new ones on some of favorite songs, and the ones I already knew about appear earlier and stick around longer -- the fade to black is more fleshed out. I'm not sure if this was really worth the $500 used that I spent, but the point is that the HE-400 is resolving enough to show me the difference. 

 

IMO, the difference I heard between the two DACs was about the same order of magnitude as the difference I heard when changing amps from the Little Dot MKIII to the Emotiva Mini-X. On the one hand, this is the difference between an OTL tube amp and an SS speaker amp, which is about as big as it gets. On the other hand, the amp upgrade cost considerably less than the DAC upgrade. It gets more complicated than that though -- I think the amp change was mostly a difference in presentation with relatively less difference in absolute quality (separation, details, bass definition, etc.), while the difference between the DACs consisted of relatively more difference in absolute quality. Both undoubtedly gave me a difference in presentation. The HRT is much riper in the bass and harsher in the highs than the Concero, which is interesting -- even though the Concero puts less emphasis on the bass, especially the midbass, its presentation comes off less bright in a way, because it is so much more polite. Perhaps cleaner is a better description. 

TL;DR -- IME, diminishing returns doesn't mean that you stop hearing differences between gear. They are still readily apparent; they just cost more. The HE-400 can show you the differences between amps and DACs.  

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