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post #15106 of 20471

Im positive not all units come out the same on HE-400 and LCD-2 so its possible your measurements dissagree with others. 

The only part im really interested in is transparency... seems like a huge improvment over the HE-400.

post #15107 of 20471
Reasons I am letting go of my HE400.
1. Sibilance. I am usually not sensitive at all,
but it is a different story here. Just constant hissing and sharpness to my ears.
2. The fit. The swivel mechanism isn't quality I feel. With even a small amount of head movement the pads adjust and it completely changes the sound.
3. The cable. Very stiff and rigid. Unlike the flexibility of other generic cables. Sennheiser, Audeze, etc.
post #15108 of 20471
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Originally Posted by Eugguy View Post

Reasons I am letting go of my HE400.
1. Sibilance. I am usually not sensitive at all,
but it is a different story here. Just constant hissing and sharpness to my ears.
2. The fit. The swivel mechanism isn't quality I feel. With even a small amount of head movement the pads adjust and it completely changes the sound.
3. The cable. Very stiff and rigid. Unlike the flexibility of other generic cables. Sennheiser, Audeze, etc.

Really? Did you get a used pair without a tight grip? I could damn near head-bang with the HE-400's on and not have this issue at all.

post #15109 of 20471
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Really? Did you get a used pair without a tight grip? I could damn near head-bang with the HE-400's on and not have this issue at all.

 

+1 although my head banging days are long gone.

post #15110 of 20471

Yea it could be that we're receiving different variations of HE-400 and LCD2s, so the comparisons might be a bit different.  I'm not sure about the HE-400, but various people at Purrin's site have told me that the LCD2 still suffers from the same inconsistencies and random veiled units that plagued it all this time.

 

The LCD2 I demoed for 3 days had tighter bass than the HE-400 and as a result, less quantitive bass.  It could just be that LCD2's bass blows up considerably the bassier the amp is.  The magni/modi aren't the most bassy amps out there.

 

The swivel to the cups on my HE-400 was so tight that I didn't even know the HE-400 cups could swivel horizontally for weeks.

post #15111 of 20471
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Yea it could be that we're receiving different variations of HE-400 and LCD2s, so the comparisons might be a bit different.  I'm not sure about the HE-400, but various people at Purrin's site have told me that the LCD2 still suffers from the same inconsistencies and random veiled units that plagued it all this time.

 

The LCD2 I demoed for 3 days had tighter bass than the HE-400 and as a result, less quantitive bass.  It could just be that LCD2's bass blows up considerably the bassier the amp is.  The magni/modi aren't the most bassy amps out there.

 

The swivel to the cups on my HE-400 was so tight that I didn't even know the HE-400 cups could swivel horizontally for weeks.


That is definitely it, the magni-modi/Lcd-2 sounds good together, but lacks in the subterranean bass that I hear with other DAC/amp combos. Also I agree with the inconsistency part, mine are bass monsters and less veiled then my friends, his sounds remarkably like my 650s.(we do use different pads though).

post #15112 of 20471
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

The swivel to the cups on my HE-400 was so tight that I didn't even know the HE-400 cups could swivel horizontally for weeks.

My experience exactly.

post #15113 of 20471
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

OK here is my LCD-2 vs HE-400 vs HD650 quality comparison with my low-end Fiio e09k (keep my amp choice in mind when reading). I didn't feel like anything was underpowered. Perhaps the hd650 was, but I'm not sure. 

 

Big difference - >>>>> 

Moderate difference - >>

Small difference - > 

Equal - = 

 

Timbre:                    LCD >> 650 >>>>> 400 

Bass quality:            LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650 (the bass was not tight on 650, got sloppy in complex stuff)

Bass quantity:          LCD >> 400 >>650

Bass punch:             LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650

Mids:                        LCD >>>>> 650 >> 400 - the LCD's mids melt my face off. 400s mids are nice but female voices sound off.

Treble quality:          LCD > 400 > 650 - the 400s treble is fun and detailed, but can be harsh without EQ

Treble presence:      400 >>>>> 650 > LCD  the LCD might be darker than 650? 

Soundstage height:  400 >> 650 >> LCD

Soundstage depth:   400 >> LCD > 650

Soundstage width:    650 = LCD = 400   I've heard people saying the LCD-2 soundstage sounds somewhat closed-in. I can't disagree. However, it is still enjoyable and larger than most closed HPs. Also, I like the stage better than 650 because the 650 has that 3-blob stage going on. LCD has a stage more like the 400, just smaller generally.  

Imaging:                    LCD > 400 >>>>> 650

Instrument separation: LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650

Engagement:              LCD = 400 >>>>> 650 - the LCD and 400 are engaging in different ways. the LCD being more transparent and milky smooth, while the 400 has this zing! to it. 650 was boring.

Detail:                       LCD >> 400 >> 650 

Sense of space:       400 > 650 >> LCD - this one is tricky with the LCD. sometimes it seems really deep, but mostly its a closed-in feeling I get. 

Transparency:          LCD >>>>> 400 > 650

Listening fatigue (left is least fatiguing): LCD > 650 >> 400 

Straight up Electronic music:                                                  LCD > 400 >>>>> 650

Electronic music w natural instruments and vocals:     LCD >>>>> 400 >>>>>> 650

Rock music:             LCD >>>>> 650 > 400

Efficiency:                 LCD = 650 > 400

Comfort - not going to do this bc i think this is mainly subjective. But I'm not bothered by the weight of the planars and I have a 14.5 in neck size. which is really small. But i'll do a couple fit aspects below. 

Clamping force:                 650 > LCD >> 400

Small-ish head like me?    650 = LCD >>>>> 400 (I had to get aftermarket padding for the 400 to fit correctly)

 

 

As you can see, I'm a planar fan. I like that BASS baby, and the LCD-2 bass bests the 400 in every way. I was curious about this. 

 

I've had the LCD for 8 hours now. I'll report back if I notice any burn-in effect. At the black-friday sale price I got the headphone, I think it's a good value. I do like the LCD-2 a lot. It's really cool sounding. It is dark but I think I'm getting used to it. If there are any other categories you want me to compare these 3, let me know. 

 

Interesting impressions thanks because I am interested in the LCD-2, although I am not sure about the efficiency bit, I pretty sure that the HE400 are more efficient than both the HD650 and LCD-2. Darker and less sparkly than the HD650 though hmmm. HD650 was a bit too dark already!

post #15114 of 20471
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

My experience exactly.

I dispensed a ton of mineral oil in the yoke swivels and now they swivel freely, which is much better because the earcups can now easily self-adjust to my head every time I put them on.

post #15115 of 20471
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Really? Did you get a used pair without a tight grip? I could damn near head-bang with the HE-400's on and not have this issue at all.


I am no where near "head-banging" at all. The headband actually does bend...it is somewhat pliable. The cups don't exactly follow suit though. I really could have lived with this...it is more the sibilance that was turning me off.

post #15116 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Interesting impressions thanks because I am interested in the LCD-2, although I am not sure about the efficiency bit, I pretty sure that the HE400 are more efficient than both the HD650 and LCD-2. Darker and less sparkly than the HD650 though hmmm. HD650 was a bit too dark already!

This is strange for me because I've always thought the hd650 has a darker presentation than the he400. But maybe I should think in terms on distance. Or perhaps the speed of the he400 gives a brighter impression.
post #15117 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nabwong View Post


This is strange for me because I've always thought the hd650 has a darker presentation than the he400. But maybe I should think in terms on distance. Or perhaps the speed of the he400 gives a brighter impression.

 


Edited by nicholars - 12/11/13 at 8:53am
post #15118 of 20471
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I dispensed a ton of mineral oil in the yoke swivels and now they swivel freely, which is much better because the earcups can now easily self-adjust to my head every time I put them on.

I tried using some WD40 and didn't have a whole lot of success. I ended up playing around with the swivels to get them symmetric and fitting nicely on my head and they stay that way permanently. Not the best solution, but it works.

post #15119 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post



Thanks for this. Actually I wanted to quote the other guy and agree with your assessment. Haha.
post #15120 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nabwong View Post


Thanks for this. Actually I wanted to quote the other guy and agree with your assessment. Haha.

 

Maybe you hear the HD650 as brighter because you notice that lump in the midrange which is not there on the HE400. I would say the HD650 are "thinner" sounding but not brighter. HE400 have more meat on the bones whereas HD650 can sound a bit thin (with EQ).

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