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If you guys think 150 hours is something, just wait till you hit the 15,000 hr mark... OMMMMGGGG L3000.gif


LOL 2 years of non-stop playing...

post #15107 of 18082

OK here is my LCD-2 vs HE-400 vs HD650 quality comparison with my low-end Fiio e09k (keep my amp choice in mind when reading). I didn't feel like anything was underpowered. Perhaps the hd650 was, but I'm not sure. 

 

Big difference - >>>>> 

Moderate difference - >>

Small difference - > 

Equal - = 

 

Timbre:                    LCD >> 650 >>>>> 400 

Bass quality:            LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650 (the bass was not tight on 650, got sloppy in complex stuff)

Bass quantity:          LCD >> 400 >>650

Bass punch:             LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650

Mids:                        LCD >>>>> 650 >> 400 - the LCD's mids melt my face off. 400s mids are nice but female voices sound off.

Treble quality:          LCD > 400 > 650 - the 400s treble is fun and detailed, but can be harsh without EQ

Treble presence:      400 >>>>> 650 > LCD  the LCD might be darker than 650? 

Soundstage height:  400 >> 650 >> LCD

Soundstage depth:   400 >> LCD > 650

Soundstage width:    650 = LCD = 400   I've heard people saying the LCD-2 soundstage sounds somewhat closed-in. I can't disagree. However, it is still enjoyable and larger than most closed HPs. Also, I like the stage better than 650 because the 650 has that 3-blob stage going on. LCD has a stage more like the 400, just smaller generally.  

Imaging:                    LCD > 400 >>>>> 650

Instrument separation: LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650

Engagement:              LCD = 400 >>>>> 650 - the LCD and 400 are engaging in different ways. the LCD being more transparent and milky smooth, while the 400 has this zing! to it. 650 was boring.

Detail:                       LCD >> 400 >> 650 

Sense of space:       400 > 650 >> LCD - this one is tricky with the LCD. sometimes it seems really deep, but mostly its a closed-in feeling I get. 

Transparency:          LCD >>>>> 400 > 650

Listening fatigue (left is least fatiguing): LCD > 650 >> 400 

Straight up Electronic music:                                                  LCD > 400 >>>>> 650

Electronic music w natural instruments and vocals:     LCD >>>>> 400 >>>>>> 650

Rock music:             LCD >>>>> 650 > 400

Efficiency:                     400 > LCD = 650 

Comfort - not going to do this bc i think this is mainly subjective. But I'm not bothered by the weight of the planars and I have a 14.5 in neck size. which is really small. But i'll do a couple fit aspects below. 

Clamping force:                 650 > LCD >> 400

Small-ish head like me?    650 = LCD >>>>> 400 (I had to get aftermarket padding for the 400 to fit correctly)

 

 

As you can see, I'm a planar fan. I like that BASS baby, and the LCD-2 bass bests the 400 in every way. I was curious about this. 

 

I've had the LCD for 8 hours now. I'll report back if I notice any burn-in effect. At the black-friday sale price I got the headphone, I think it's a good value. I do like the LCD-2 a lot. It's really cool sounding. It is dark but I think I'm getting used to it. If there are any other categories you want me to compare these 3, let me know. 


Edited by mogulmaster - 12/11/13 at 11:33am
post #15108 of 18082

No way LCD2 has equally more bass than HE-400 as HE-400 has compared to the HD650.

post #15109 of 18082

@mogulmaster, hey i heard that the HE400 had more bass than the LCD2s lol.

post #15110 of 18082

hey, anyone here have headband modifications/upgrades for their HE-400. I was looking at this headband comfort cushion from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Leatherette-Universal-Sennheiser-Beyerdynamic/dp/B00862522A/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

 

I was wondering if anyone here has any experience w/ this product for the HE400 or other recommendations for increasing comfort! :)

post #15111 of 18082
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

hey, anyone here have headband modifications/upgrades for their HE-400. I was looking at this headband comfort cushion from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Leatherette-Universal-Sennheiser-Beyerdynamic/dp/B00862522A/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I was wondering if anyone here has any experience w/ this product for the HE400 or other recommendations for increasing comfort! smily_headphones1.gif
Yes, I have that. It definitely improves comfort. I started using it with all the press studs fastened, but this means the stock band has to be folded/deformed to fit inside. I now leave the middle few open and it has settled I into a nice shape now. If you have a really big head, you might have problems adjusting the headphones to a big enough size with this attached. I have a pretty normal sized head and they are nearly fully extended to fit me now.
Edited by amigomatt - 12/11/13 at 1:14am
post #15112 of 18082
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

@mogulmaster, hey i heard that the HE400 had more bass than the LCD2s lol.

definitely getting more bass slam and presence with the LCD-2 on my e09k 

post #15113 of 18082

Im positive not all units come out the same on HE-400 and LCD-2 so its possible your measurements dissagree with others. 

The only part im really interested in is transparency... seems like a huge improvment over the HE-400.

post #15114 of 18082
Reasons I am letting go of my HE400.
1. Sibilance. I am usually not sensitive at all,
but it is a different story here. Just constant hissing and sharpness to my ears.
2. The fit. The swivel mechanism isn't quality I feel. With even a small amount of head movement the pads adjust and it completely changes the sound.
3. The cable. Very stiff and rigid. Unlike the flexibility of other generic cables. Sennheiser, Audeze, etc.
post #15115 of 18082
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Originally Posted by Eugguy View Post

Reasons I am letting go of my HE400.
1. Sibilance. I am usually not sensitive at all,
but it is a different story here. Just constant hissing and sharpness to my ears.
2. The fit. The swivel mechanism isn't quality I feel. With even a small amount of head movement the pads adjust and it completely changes the sound.
3. The cable. Very stiff and rigid. Unlike the flexibility of other generic cables. Sennheiser, Audeze, etc.

Really? Did you get a used pair without a tight grip? I could damn near head-bang with the HE-400's on and not have this issue at all.

post #15116 of 18082
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Really? Did you get a used pair without a tight grip? I could damn near head-bang with the HE-400's on and not have this issue at all.

 

+1 although my head banging days are long gone.

post #15117 of 18082

Yea it could be that we're receiving different variations of HE-400 and LCD2s, so the comparisons might be a bit different.  I'm not sure about the HE-400, but various people at Purrin's site have told me that the LCD2 still suffers from the same inconsistencies and random veiled units that plagued it all this time.

 

The LCD2 I demoed for 3 days had tighter bass than the HE-400 and as a result, less quantitive bass.  It could just be that LCD2's bass blows up considerably the bassier the amp is.  The magni/modi aren't the most bassy amps out there.

 

The swivel to the cups on my HE-400 was so tight that I didn't even know the HE-400 cups could swivel horizontally for weeks.

post #15118 of 18082
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Yea it could be that we're receiving different variations of HE-400 and LCD2s, so the comparisons might be a bit different.  I'm not sure about the HE-400, but various people at Purrin's site have told me that the LCD2 still suffers from the same inconsistencies and random veiled units that plagued it all this time.

 

The LCD2 I demoed for 3 days had tighter bass than the HE-400 and as a result, less quantitive bass.  It could just be that LCD2's bass blows up considerably the bassier the amp is.  The magni/modi aren't the most bassy amps out there.

 

The swivel to the cups on my HE-400 was so tight that I didn't even know the HE-400 cups could swivel horizontally for weeks.


That is definitely it, the magni-modi/Lcd-2 sounds good together, but lacks in the subterranean bass that I hear with other DAC/amp combos. Also I agree with the inconsistency part, mine are bass monsters and less veiled then my friends, his sounds remarkably like my 650s.(we do use different pads though).

post #15119 of 18082
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

The swivel to the cups on my HE-400 was so tight that I didn't even know the HE-400 cups could swivel horizontally for weeks.

My experience exactly.

post #15120 of 18082
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

OK here is my LCD-2 vs HE-400 vs HD650 quality comparison with my low-end Fiio e09k (keep my amp choice in mind when reading). I didn't feel like anything was underpowered. Perhaps the hd650 was, but I'm not sure. 

 

Big difference - >>>>> 

Moderate difference - >>

Small difference - > 

Equal - = 

 

Timbre:                    LCD >> 650 >>>>> 400 

Bass quality:            LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650 (the bass was not tight on 650, got sloppy in complex stuff)

Bass quantity:          LCD >> 400 >>650

Bass punch:             LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650

Mids:                        LCD >>>>> 650 >> 400 - the LCD's mids melt my face off. 400s mids are nice but female voices sound off.

Treble quality:          LCD > 400 > 650 - the 400s treble is fun and detailed, but can be harsh without EQ

Treble presence:      400 >>>>> 650 > LCD  the LCD might be darker than 650? 

Soundstage height:  400 >> 650 >> LCD

Soundstage depth:   400 >> LCD > 650

Soundstage width:    650 = LCD = 400   I've heard people saying the LCD-2 soundstage sounds somewhat closed-in. I can't disagree. However, it is still enjoyable and larger than most closed HPs. Also, I like the stage better than 650 because the 650 has that 3-blob stage going on. LCD has a stage more like the 400, just smaller generally.  

Imaging:                    LCD > 400 >>>>> 650

Instrument separation: LCD >> 400 >>>>> 650

Engagement:              LCD = 400 >>>>> 650 - the LCD and 400 are engaging in different ways. the LCD being more transparent and milky smooth, while the 400 has this zing! to it. 650 was boring.

Detail:                       LCD >> 400 >> 650 

Sense of space:       400 > 650 >> LCD - this one is tricky with the LCD. sometimes it seems really deep, but mostly its a closed-in feeling I get. 

Transparency:          LCD >>>>> 400 > 650

Listening fatigue (left is least fatiguing): LCD > 650 >> 400 

Straight up Electronic music:                                                  LCD > 400 >>>>> 650

Electronic music w natural instruments and vocals:     LCD >>>>> 400 >>>>>> 650

Rock music:             LCD >>>>> 650 > 400

Efficiency:                 LCD = 650 > 400

Comfort - not going to do this bc i think this is mainly subjective. But I'm not bothered by the weight of the planars and I have a 14.5 in neck size. which is really small. But i'll do a couple fit aspects below. 

Clamping force:                 650 > LCD >> 400

Small-ish head like me?    650 = LCD >>>>> 400 (I had to get aftermarket padding for the 400 to fit correctly)

 

 

As you can see, I'm a planar fan. I like that BASS baby, and the LCD-2 bass bests the 400 in every way. I was curious about this. 

 

I've had the LCD for 8 hours now. I'll report back if I notice any burn-in effect. At the black-friday sale price I got the headphone, I think it's a good value. I do like the LCD-2 a lot. It's really cool sounding. It is dark but I think I'm getting used to it. If there are any other categories you want me to compare these 3, let me know. 

 

Interesting impressions thanks because I am interested in the LCD-2, although I am not sure about the efficiency bit, I pretty sure that the HE400 are more efficient than both the HD650 and LCD-2. Darker and less sparkly than the HD650 though hmmm. HD650 was a bit too dark already!

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