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post #14401 of 20391

SIR:  You are correct.  It's all subjective baby!  If you're happy with the equipment and or pairing you have.......ENJOY!!

post #14402 of 20391
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

 Otherwise you are never transcending your own biases, guesses, or opinions either (no matter how they were formed). 


LOL. Please show me how to transcend biases and guesses when commenting on equipment I haven't heard before. 

post #14403 of 20391
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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post


Sorry Thujone I misunderstood you too! This is the problem with forums and lack of voice intonation!

Haha, no worries. I'm confused as hell myself.

post #14404 of 20391
Thread Starter 

Long live the he400 thread. I for one, have enjoyed the ride. This thread has and continues to be an enjoyable place to hang out and discuss a great hp...along with the modification of said hp (thanks to many here particularly Jerg, Modular, WJE and many others). 

 

But mostly it's been a nice place to hang out and discuss the fine reproduction of music with an intelligent, passionate group who are willing to share their knowledge time and skills. I have learned plenty here. And I thank you all for you time and contributions. 

 

 

very best,

 

Matt

post #14405 of 20391
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Long live the he400 thread. I for one, have enjoyed the ride. This thread has and continues to be an enjoyable place to hang out and discuss a great hp...along with the modification of said hp (thanks to many here particularly Jerg, Modular, WJE and many others). 

But mostly it's been a nice place to hang out and discuss the fine reproduction of music with an intelligent, passionate group who are willing to share their knowledge time and skills. I have learned plenty here. And I thank you all for you time and contributions. 


very best,

Matt
You're not leaving now are you? It's just getting interesting! No, seriously, I've read every page of this thread and feel exactly the same. Cheers!
post #14406 of 20391
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

I could care the least about the Lyr, Magni or Schiit for that matter(even though I must say they have excellent customer service), I do not want to know of your motives, background , and  I have no desire to "get you". I am simply pointing out you made a comment on the LCD-2 and just as I suspected......you have never heard it, you made a comment on the Lyr......and again never heard it. You can take offence to that if you want, but I meant no harm to you character , I was just pointing out that your opinions were not formulated from experience.

 

This is cut and pasted from the TOS.

Likewise, please avoid trashing equipment you haven't used or aren't familiar with. Having doubts about something you see in a design is fair enough, but to quote Robert Pirsig: "The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility, it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed." So remember that you can derive satisfaction from listening with any audio gear as much from your appreciation of the design (whether how it looks or how it measures) as much as how it reproduces music.

 

So I suppose I am not the only soul that "detests" when people comment without experience.

 

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Originally Posted by manbear View Post
 

1) Ok... It's important to consider value, but you should realize that your concept of value isn't the same as everyone else's. Some people like to spend a larger percent of their budget on audio, some people have a larger budget, etc. I'm not suggesting that you change your concept of value, but I am suggesting that you don't impose your concept of value on other people. I agree that diminishing returns exist, but it's up to individuals to decide for themselves how far they want to go. There is a huge difference between politely saying that you don't think a given amp is worth the money and calling it "stupid" to be interested in a nicer amp. 

3) No, value is not the issue here, because it's a personal, individual matter. Sound is the issue. We can and should tell each other how something sounds, so we can decide on our own if the differences are worth the money. When you make cost a criterion without separating it from sound, you can only speak for yourself. Which is fine, if you only speak for yourself. Again, there is a big difference between stating your opinion and "forbidding" purchases for other people. Just as you don't like people leaping to the defense of more expensive gear just to justify their purchases, you shouldn't rush to attack expensive gear to justify your own less expensive purchases. 

It's really pretty basic. We are all entitled to our opinions, but we should share them without putting down gear we haven't heard or can't afford. I can't afford 1k+ gear either. In fact, my DAC and amp together cost less than my HE-400. But I don't go around crapping on expensive gear or saying that it's not worth the money, nor do I get defensive when someone says something positive about gear I can't afford. If I want to be informative and helpful to other people, I have to separate my opinions on sound from my opinions on value. You have them jumbled up in an intensely personal mix that doesn't necessarily apply to other people. 

OK SO, after all of this interesting debate the question is still available for you two resident forum contributors to answer:

 

Should someone new to their HE-400 go buy a Lyr to go with it, or not? Because I chimed on that, and said, "no".

 

Fearless 1 - If you equate what I have said now or in the past as "trashing equipment" then I am speechless and do not know what to say. You're officially taking me out of context, and out of proportion at this point. People 'trash' the 'hot treble' of the HE-400 or its 'lack of midrange' or whatever ALL THE TIME in this thread, in a highly entertaining cycle of love-hate. Hell, plenty have flat out said, basically, that the phones are bad and they are going with something 'better'. So far, it hasn't made me attack other members or try to call out their credibility or judgement as forum contributors. So I am seriously now wondering if your interest is really in said products, or just going after me because I offended any of your past purchase decisions. As I said before, please DO disagree with me, but please try doing so in a forum-appropriate targeted response to a person that will actually benefit from it. People with your means and passion for audio should do more than try to make people like me feel bad for not having a $1,500 dollar flavor of the month budget. But I will forget the whole thing if you send me a check for $1,500. :tongue_smile:

 

ManBear - I think you have misread me a few times at this point. You've now told me that 1) we can all write a value proposition, 2)  . . . But value doesn't matter and 3) Everyone's opinions matter but mine, because I included value in my decision making. At least I now know that I can't accept your recommendations (whether you know your gear or not) - because you think good sound and the almighty dollar come from separate voids in space or something. Also it is not "putting down gear" to tell someone to spend less money on something, or to just buy something else. I sure as heck don't get defensive when people don't like the same gear I do (not my fault they don't get it). I also don't "crap on" gear that is more expensive or that I do not own. Both you and fearless seem to be taking my words to extremes and frankly, it goes against the spirit of what I was hoping to say. It sure as heck isn't about the HE-400 either, so there is that.

 

I am a purist who is not also an elitist - I came here to learn, share, and contribute like everyone else. This isn't the LYR thread after all, so please keep it to the above question in bold. I'll eagerly await a response.

 

:popcorn:

post #14407 of 20391
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Long live the he400 thread. I for one, have enjoyed the ride. This thread has and continues to be an enjoyable place to hang out and discuss a great hp...along with the modification of said hp (thanks to many here particularly Jerg, Modular, WJE and many others). 

 

But mostly it's been a nice place to hang out and discuss the fine reproduction of music with an intelligent, passionate group who are willing to share their knowledge time and skills. I have learned plenty here. And I thank you all for you time and contributions. 

 

 

very best,

 

Matt


Our loss Matt - thanks for your kind and mature parting words!

post #14408 of 20391

My apologies to anyone who is upset with my personal derailment of this thread, It was not my intent. We all hear different.

post #14409 of 20391
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

My apologies to anyone who is upset with my personal derailment of this thread, It was not my intent. We all hear different.


I have to admit that I get a perverse pleasure from antagonizing people who I find disagreeable, but I am done for now as well. Next post will be explicitly HE-400 related. 

post #14410 of 20391

Ok, washed the velour pads but I still find them uncomfortable as they are not as plush as the pleathers (although sonically better). I've ordered a pair of Alpha Pads for the HE400 and will report back on how they are when they arrive. Also is it worth it to upgrade the HE400's cable? 

post #14411 of 20391
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Originally Posted by Bio-Rhythm View Post

Hi,



 



Can someone give me an idea of the  Hifiman HE-400's level of isolation?.i.e- when you place them over your ears (without music playing ) ,what level of isolation> from 0% for no noticeable difference in isolation to 100% for complete isolation . I realize they are open designed headphones so isolation will be relatively very low .



 



But how low? Can you still hear someone whisper etc ?.



 



Thanks


 



Basically if you need isolation and no sound leakage then do not buy the HE400, they do not isolate outside sounds hardly at all and they leak sound a lot, they are powerful drivers and if you turn them up you could almost use them as mini speakers!
post #14412 of 20391
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Originally Posted by maserati2303 View Post

Can you make a comparison hd600 for resolution and treble?


 



The HD600 and HE400 are completely different, you cannot really compare the two, choose depending on your music tastes, but if someone said to me "what are two completely different headphones that would make a good combo if you had both" I would probably say HD650 + HE400 because they sound very different but both are good at certain genres, the HE400 is a better all rounder if you EQ it, HD600 are nice headphones but they seem a bit outdated now, they are about 20 year old design and they sound quite slow and not good for some genres, HE400 probably do not have as good sound quality as the HD600 but they are fast, FAR better bass, and can sound good with pretty much any genre with mods and EQ. If you like things like classical music, rock, gaming, vocals those sorts of things then get the HD600, if you like a lot of genres and electronic music, fast music, metal etc. then get the HE400.
post #14413 of 20391
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 The HD600 and HE400 are completely different, you cannot really compare the two, choose depending on your music tastes, but if someone said to me "what are two completely different headphones that would make a good combo if you had both" I would probably say HD650 + HE400 because they sound very different but both are good at certain genres, the HE400 is a better all rounder if you EQ it, HD600 are nice headphones but they seem a bit outdated now, they are about 20 year old design and they sound quite slow and not good for some genres, HE400 probably do not have as good sound quality as the HD600 but they are fast, FAR better bass, and can sound good with pretty much any genre with mods and EQ. If you like things like classical music, rock, gaming, vocals those sorts of things then get the HD600, if you like a lot of genres and electronic music, fast music, metal etc. then get the HE400.

Thanks.

post #14414 of 20391
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

You do know the Hifiman brand is Chinese too right?

 



Not a problem with china as such, because pretty much everything is made there these days, but the lack of distribution in the UK and having to physically buy it shipped from China.

yay now this is where i come in and tell you that Toxic Cables carries Audio GD amps and is conveniently located in the UK :D

post #14415 of 20391

Try this for Europe EU

http://headphoniaks.com/gb/

Great service for me at great price, here is where I have got my Hifiman from.

 

Regards,

 

cartrufer


Edited by cartrufer - 11/18/13 at 12:23pm
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